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| xobs | Okay, back in the office. Today's goals are to (1) validate the test jig and DVT boards, and (2) get SPI working so I can finish up a first draft of Foboot. | 04:23 |
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| xobs | ECO1: The factory put the crystals on rotated 180 degrees. | 07:41 |
| tnt | EC ? | 07:42 |
| xobs | I mean, they put them on according to the datasheet, which appears to be wrong? The datasheet seems to indicate that when you can read the text, pin 1 is in the upper-right corner. | 07:43 |
| xobs | Engineering Change Order. Factory bug report. | 07:43 |
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| xobs | Has anyone here gotten the LED to work on a Fomu Hacker Board? | 08:55 |
| tnt | Any reason you powered it from 2.5v instead of 3v3 ? That's a bit low given the Vf of G/B leds. | 09:01 |
| xobs | Luke designed the Hacker Board to be built on a 4/4 process. He did that simply because he couldn't route the 3v3 line to the LEDs :) | 09:02 |
| xobs | On the DVT (and PVT, eventually) boards, they're using 3v3. | 09:02 |
| tnt | getting rid of 2.5v all together would maybe have freedup some space :p | 09:03 |
| tnt | Anyway, was this why you were asking or do you have other trouble with the led ? | 09:04 |
| tnt | (I don't have a tomu so never tested, just curious) | 09:04 |
| tnt | s/tomu/fomu/ ... | 09:04 |
| xobs | I'm asking because I'm not able to drive the LED at all, and I'm wondering if anyone has tried it with the WLCSP part. I'm measuring the pads, and they're just not... padding. | 09:05 |
| tnt | are you using the SG_RGBA core ? | 09:07 |
| xobs | I'm using SB_RGBA_DRV. I've also tried using the pins as GPIO, which didn't work either. | 09:08 |
| xobs | It seems as though pins C5, B5, and A5 just don't work. | 09:09 |
| tnt | :/ I never tried using them as gpio on the sg48 either. I know they're open-drain output only but not sure if there isn't any bug in nextpnr when handling that. But they sure work fine with SB_RGBA_DRV. | 09:13 |
| tnt | Did you try a design with icecube ? To make sure that package doesn't need some other enable bit somewhere that was missed in icestorm ? | 09:14 |
| xobs | That's what I've noticed with the sg48. The same code works fine on an EVT board, but on DVT I don't get anything. I've tried sending the same signal to the touchpads, where I'm able to measure it there. Nothing wrong with it there. | 09:15 |
| xobs | I just did a design with icecube. What a strange program. It didn't work either, but it correctly shows that pins A5, B5, and C5 are all routed to the LED. | 09:37 |
| xobs | Okay, I forgot about the "open drain" bit. You're right, tnt, the wires are working. The LED is not. Now why would that be... | 09:51 |
| tnt | wrong pinout / soldered wrong way ... the fact that the pad with the notch in it is pad 4 and not pad 1 sure doesn't help :p | 10:03 |
| xobs | That's my best guess. Though it looks correct under the microscope, according to the drawing. | 10:06 |
| tnt | yeah, just looked at the gerbers and the picture on the website and looks fine to me as well. | 10:07 |
| tnt | do you see the 2v5 rail ? | 10:08 |
| xobs | Are you looking at the DVT gerbers? | 10:08 |
| xobs | https://github.com/im-tomu/fomu-hardware/tree/dvt/hardware/releases/dvt1e | 10:09 |
| tpb | Title: fomu-hardware/hardware/releases/dvt1e at dvt · im-tomu/fomu-hardware · GitHub (at github.com) | 10:09 |
| tnt | looking at https://github.com/im-tomu/fomu-hardware/tree/master/hacker/releases/v0.0-19-g154fecc | 10:09 |
| tpb | Title: fomu-hardware/hacker/releases/v0.0-19-g154fecc at master · im-tomu/fomu-hardware · GitHub (at github.com) | 10:09 |
| xobs | That's the original Hacker Board that mithro did, based on Luke's gerbers. | 10:10 |
| tnt | yeah, I thought that's what you asked about | 10:10 |
| xobs | Originally, yes. Because I'm quite sure nobody else has tried the RGB LEDs on the DVT boards. :) | 10:11 |
| xobs | I've managed to program a DVT board with a blinky program, so now I'm trying to troubleshoot the LED. | 10:11 |
| xobs | It's the same device, so they ought to behave the same way. | 10:11 |
| xobs | The EVT boards used a footprint-compatibie alternative that worked (CL505S), but for some reason these CREE UHD1110 devices just won't light up. | 10:12 |
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| tnt | Does the dvt have blind vias ? | 10:21 |
| xobs | Very much so. But the only blind via there is 3.3V, which I've measured at the LED point and it's working fine. | 10:22 |
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| xobs | I do see that I swapped pins 1 and 2, which, oops. But that shouldn't affect it because, as you say, the key is on pin 4, and the LED looks oriented properly. | 12:32 |
| tnt | Do you have spare leds ? to try and pwer them externally ? | 12:32 |
| xobs | I don't think I have the manual dexterity to hit these pads. | 12:35 |
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| mithro | xobs: FYI - I would accept Fomu related projects in GSoC under SymbiFlow or TimVideos projects... | 15:48 |
| xobs | mithro: that's good to know! | 15:50 |
| mithro | xobs: Could use some help promoting it | 15:51 |
| xobs | mithro: by the way, have you tested out the RGB LED on the hacker board? | 15:51 |
| mithro | xobs: Unsure, I'm pretty sure I have seen it light up... | 15:51 |
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| rohitksingh | xobs: I've tested it for days :p ...works fine, only issue seems to be uneven brightness | 16:10 |
| xobs | rohitksingh: That's good to know! Thanks. Now I need to figure out what the difference is. | 16:11 |
| rohitksingh | From the schematic, I can probably guess the reason for uneven brightness...2.5V being dropped by different amount by each color channel and sinking to FPGA IOs? | 16:13 |
| xobs | rohitksingh: yeah, 2.5V is actually under-spec for green and blue. | 16:14 |
| rohitksingh | that should be the reason then! | 16:14 |
| xobs | On DVT boards I'll actually need to set the current to super low on the red channel to keep it within tolerance. | 16:14 |
| rohitksingh | yup, but how? extra resistor? | 16:15 |
| xobs | I'll have to look into that Thursday, though. Tomorrow's going to be a USB-kinda day. | 16:15 |
| rohitksingh | ah okay | 16:15 |
| xobs | rohitksingh: by setting the "current level" on the SB_RGBA_DRIVER block. | 16:16 |
| xobs | RGB2_CURRENT possibly. I don't remember which one is tied to Red. | 16:16 |
| rohitksingh | oh...is that an ice40 specific thing? :o Wasn't aware of that | 16:17 |
| xobs | Yep! It even has a fancier control block with registers and a "heartbeat" setting. | 16:17 |
| xobs | Something to play with later. | 16:17 |
| rohitksingh | oh that's nice! I'll look into it | 16:18 |
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