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| xobs | TechAspirer: I have https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/application-notes/AN0806.pdf still open that describes getting good random numbers on Tomu... in theory at least. | 00:56 |
| TechAspirer | xobs: I don't need good random, I need secure random | 01:01 |
| TechAspirer | I'll read over it though. Thanks | 01:01 |
| TechAspirer | And I don't need either. Just for my idea, I would need secure | 01:01 |
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| MadHacker | 20:05 < TechAspirer> MadHackers: Build a Serial proxy app on your laptop <-- Wanted something that didn't need the PC except for power, really. ANd same with the wiring. Maybe they can talk by RF if they're close enough. :D | 08:55 |
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| TechAspirer | MadHacker: But then you're wiring an RF module | 14:56 |
| TechAspirer | Is the issue the wiring of the Tomus together or the wiring of the Tomu at all | 14:57 |
| MadHacker | No, I meant very short range just using the cap touch pads as antennae. | 14:57 |
| MadHacker | (think more electrostatic than RF really) | 14:57 |
| MadHacker | But TBH it's probably not going to work. | 14:57 |
| MadHacker | There's almost certainly nonzero coupling there but I doubt I can get enough out of it. | 14:58 |
| MadHacker | I'm going for ridiculous here, not practical. I would never try anything that daft in a real product. | 14:58 |
| MadHacker | It's just for fun. | 14:58 |
| TechAspirer | I doubt that would work unless they're touching | 14:58 |
| TechAspirer | Assuming you CAN even output along them | 14:58 |
| TechAspirer | BTW that's the next lib I'm working on | 14:59 |
| TechAspirer | But really just digital buttons not freaking RF attenae :P | 14:59 |
| MadHacker | I can. It's the picking it back up that's questionable. A very nearby pad set to float vs. a nearby pad hard grounded may be detectable, though. | 14:59 |
| TechAspirer | Touch them together | 15:00 |
| MadHacker | (as in, keeping it in cap touch land; pushing actual RF out is easy enough but picking it back up is probably not) | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | Link the Tomus | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | Get the one ring | 15:00 |
| MadHacker | Don't wanna. Want them in a hub, adjacent ports. | 15:00 |
| MadHacker | :D | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | I respect and hate you | 15:00 |
| MadHacker | Honestly, I'm just being silly. I'd link them in a heartbeat if I were trying to be sensible. | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | This seems awesome and infuriating | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | lol | 15:00 |
| TechAspirer | What's the point overall? | 15:00 |
| MadHacker | Fun. | 15:01 |
| MadHacker | I have no practical uses for these right now, but I'll probably find some by experimenting with silly things. | 15:01 |
| MadHacker | I mean, I have 18 of the PCBs in front of me right now, and a bag of ICs to match due tomorrow. | 15:01 |
| MadHacker | Not like I'm short of them to mess about with. | 15:01 |
| MadHacker | (plus the ones I ordered from crowdsupply due sometime) | 15:01 |
| TechAspirer | 18? | 15:05 |
| TechAspirer | y | 15:05 |
| TechAspirer | I have 5 because I got the 5 pack | 15:05 |
| MadHacker | Ordered 10 as a "protopack" from dirtypcbs, got 18 boards. | 15:06 |
| MadHacker | Their 10 is "about 10". Sometimes you get nine. Sometimes, a lot more. | 15:06 |
| MadHacker | It just depends what fits well on the panel with the other things they're producing that day. | 15:06 |
| MadHacker | Never had less than 9. | 15:06 |
| TechAspirer | Oh | 15:08 |
| TechAspirer | I thought you ordered 10 twice for a second | 15:08 |
| MadHacker | That would not be out of character, but no, on this occasion I ordered the right number and won on the PCB layout lottery. | 15:09 |
| TechAspirer | Got it | 15:09 |
| TechAspirer | Why'd you need 10 | 15:09 |
| MadHacker | Cheaper than buying 5. | 15:09 |
| TechAspirer | Can I interest you in LTE? | 15:09 |
| MadHacker | (seriously, not joking) | 15:09 |
| TechAspirer | Lol. Fair enough | 15:09 |
| MadHacker | I paid $13.95, total, shipped, for 18 boards. Components are my own problem, but it's a low BOM-cost board anyway. | 15:13 |
| TechAspirer | I paid $60, total, shipped, for 5 boards with pieces and have them, with cute plastic cases! | 15:15 |
| MadHacker | Yep, I kind of expected to have mine rather before you. Alas, some processing and stock delays in various places. | 15:15 |
| TechAspirer | I also have an European friend I'm giving one too so then I'll have 4 and we'll have an extra community member | 15:15 |
| TechAspirer | MadHacker: get shut down m8 | 15:16 |
| MadHacker | I'm in .uk, BTW. | 15:16 |
| TechAspirer | USA | 15:16 |
| TechAspirer | But I'm going to Berlin a couple, along with London as a family side trip, for a tech conference the group I work for is hosting | 15:16 |
| MadHacker | Nice. | 15:17 |
| MadHacker | London's good as a tourist. Wouldn't want to live there, but well worth a visit. | 15:17 |
| MadHacker | (I'm in Glasgow) | 15:17 |
| TechAspirer | I wouldn't want to live there at all | 15:18 |
| TechAspirer | You guys had Brexit | 15:18 |
| TechAspirer | I'm not a fan of that | 15:18 |
| MadHacker | * are still in the middle of (bloody) brexit. | 15:18 |
| MadHacker | Same. | 15:18 |
| TechAspirer | I am laughing at all the people who said they wanted to stay and only voted to leave to prove a point | 15:18 |
| TechAspirer | And the people pissed they don't get the same bonuses on travelling if they stayed in EU | 15:18 |
| TechAspirer | Something something entry fees to other countries | 15:18 |
| MadHacker | Yup. | 15:21 |
| MadHacker | You'll get no argument out of me. I voted to stay in the EU. | 15:21 |
| TechAspirer | I want to stay in Germany | 15:32 |
| TechAspirer | Leader of the EU | 15:32 |
| rails | can you imagine ordering 10 | 16:43 |
| rails | then recieving 250~, with a note. "whoops, sorry" | 16:44 |
| MadHacker | That's happened to me before. | 16:45 |
| MadHacker | Ordered a component, got a reel. | 16:45 |
| TechAspirer | MadHacker: What component? | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | Hello rails | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | 4th person I've seen | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | Tjird | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | *third | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | Damn it | 17:08 |
| TechAspirer | x_obs M_adHacker r_ails | 17:08 |
| technomancy | if I have my tomu set up as a u2f token, what device node will my browser need r/w access to in order to authenticate? | 17:11 |
| TechAspirer | I feel that count should be way higher based on the amount of people here | 17:11 |
| TechAspirer | Or did xobs pay a service to put in fake people? | 17:12 |
| technomancy | the udev rules in the docs don't work for me, and I'm trying to figure out why | 17:12 |
| technomancy | actually there's an even better question: if I flash the tomu to be a u2f token, should I expect the normal docs to even apply any more, or do I need to look at the chopstix docs? | 17:14 |
| TechAspirer | technomancy: I'm not ignoring you, I just can't answer :P | 17:14 |
| technomancy | it looks like it does in fact change the vendor and product ID | 17:15 |
| TechAspirer | I think you can expect help via Chopstx, for Tomu Chopstx, and for the Tomu hardware, but not via the standard software help | 17:15 |
| technomancy | OK, got it working with the new IDs; cool | 17:18 |
| technomancy | the docs probably ought to mention this | 17:18 |
| TechAspirer | Make a pull request ;p | 17:19 |
| technomancy | on it =) | 17:20 |
| technomancy | is it worth mentioning that you shouldn't set permissions to 777 if you're on a multi-user system? | 17:24 |
| technomancy | it seems like that would be very unusual for a 2FA device, but ... better safe than sorry? | 17:24 |
| MadHacker | It's not terribly obvious how to handle a 2FA device on a multi-user system in the first place. | 17:28 |
| MadHacker | I mean, what ties "this device is plugged in" to "User ABC (only) may use it". | 17:28 |
| MadHacker | I suppose you could do something with whoever's currently logged in at the console, but even that's a bit of a faff. | 17:28 |
| technomancy | https://github.com/im-tomu/chopstx/pull/4 | 17:29 |
| tpb | Title: Add instructions for updating udev rules. by technomancy · Pull Request #4 · im-tomu/chopstx · GitHub (at github.com) | 17:29 |
| TechAspirer | xobs: Have you seen Nim? | 19:26 |
| TechAspirer | xobs: Got it up on the Tomu | 20:27 |
| TechAspirer | xobs: Can I just yell at how bad this build process is? | 22:11 |
| TechAspirer | Like it's nice to have a Makefile | 22:11 |
| TechAspirer | But with all the variables it's hard to read the actual commands it runs. I'm trying to turn it into a Nim compiler command and failing. Horribly. | 22:12 |
| TechAspirer | Oh. | 22:13 |
| TechAspirer | The linking also violates header guards | 22:13 |
| TechAspirer | All three of my files are guarded | 22:13 |
| TechAspirer | But a double include of the files still causes double declarations | 22:13 |
| TechAspirer | I'd appreciate some help when you have a few lol | 22:16 |
| TechAspirer | This does work on the Tomu as long as you delete three lines from the generated code due to header guard violation https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/6d74678f1748fd13cbdaff57f7d1764d | 22:19 |
| tpb | Title: FruitGuesser.nim · GitHub (at gist.github.com) | 22:19 |
| TechAspirer | My guess is that it's compiling as separate objects... | 23:42 |
| TechAspirer | So then it links 2 copies because there's 1 with 3 headers and 3 with 1 header, for a total of 6 | 23:42 |
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