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| Vadtec | tansell: would you like the last few lines of output from my console related to the program freezeing? | 00:00 |
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| tansell | Vadtec, i doubt it has much useful in it | 00:01 |
| Vadtec | doesnt appear so | 00:01 |
| Vadtec | it did fix the issue with the design window though | 00:02 |
| Vadtec | also | 00:04 |
| Vadtec | im trying to add a colonist, but it wont let me add any | 00:04 |
| Vadtec | do i need to build something on the planet first? or is it a ship type? | 00:04 |
| tansell | Vadtec, which ruleset are you playing? | 00:05 |
| Vadtec | rfts | 00:05 |
| Vadtec | should i play a diff set? | 00:05 |
| tansell | rfts is broken if i understand | 00:06 |
| Vadtec | oh | 00:06 |
| Vadtec | im just not having any luck tonight am i | 00:06 |
| Vadtec | *sigh* | 00:06 |
| Vadtec | when i clicked the X again, it froze again fyi | 00:07 |
| tansell | clicked the X on what? | 00:08 |
| Vadtec | the window to close the wx app | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | but | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | i just tried to click Cancel on the login dialog | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | and it froze there too | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | so i suspect something in the exit code is screwy | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | basically, i have to Ctrl-C in the console to kill it | 00:09 |
| Vadtec | otherwise it hangs | 00:09 |
| tansell | Vadtec, can you get me a couple of complete logs for the Cancel on the login dialog? | 00:10 |
| tansell | I can't reproduce that here | 00:10 |
| Vadtec | hmmm, when i look in .tp/tpclient-pywx.log, its empty | 00:12 |
| Vadtec | you just want the console output? | 00:12 |
| tansell | yes | 00:13 |
| Vadtec | k, one sec | 00:13 |
| Vadtec | hrm | 00:14 |
| Vadtec | its telling me bad username or pass | 00:14 |
| Vadtec | and when i click cancel it hangs | 00:14 |
| Vadtec | one sec, ill pastebin | 00:14 |
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| Vadtec | tansell: http://vadtec.pastebin.com/m67f41fe4 <--- doesnt provide much info | 00:15 |
| tpb | Title: vadtec private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at vadtec.pastebin.com) | 00:15 |
| Vadtec | i dunno why its tellin me invalid user/pass | 00:16 |
| Vadtec | oh der | 00:17 |
| Vadtec | i do too | 00:17 |
| Vadtec | im such a tard at times | 00:17 |
| Vadtec | today is not my day | 00:17 |
| tansell | cherez, you still here? | 00:17 |
| cherez | Yeah. | 00:17 |
| tansell | cherez, so I would strongly encourage working on libtpproto2-py | 00:19 |
| Vadtec | how do you get a login when it tells you invalid username or pass? im using the mtsec rules | 00:19 |
| cherez | It's what I'm leaning toward. | 00:19 |
| tansell | cherez, things to note in your application are how you are going to do things like analyse code and document coverage | 00:20 |
| tansell | Vadtec, it depends on if the server has autoadd players configured or not | 00:20 |
| tansell | you can click the find button to create a new account | 00:20 |
| Vadtec | oh | 00:21 |
| Vadtec | looky there it worked | 00:22 |
| llnz | bbl | 00:26 |
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| Vadtec | hrm | 00:26 |
| Vadtec | i think ive had about as much of these wierd bugs as i can take for the night | 00:27 |
| tansell | I'm sure that tpclient-pywx use to offer to create a new account if you tried to login and it failed | 00:27 |
| Vadtec | it poped up with an incomplete dialog | 00:27 |
| Vadtec | and when i clicked ok | 00:27 |
| Vadtec | it took me back to the login scree | 00:28 |
| Vadtec | +n | 00:28 |
| Vadtec | i couldnt resize it | 00:28 |
| Vadtec | and it had no text | 00:28 |
| Vadtec | just an Ok button | 00:28 |
| tansell | screenshots of some of these issues would be helpful | 00:28 |
| Vadtec | aye, and im being a schmoe and forgetting everything tonight | 00:29 |
| Vadtec | today has not been my day | 00:29 |
| Vadtec | lemme reproduce | 00:29 |
| Vadtec | ugh, lemme switch to KDE, E17 isnt being nice | 00:31 |
| tansell | E17 doesn't follow a number of normal window manager rules, so that could be causing some of your problems | 00:35 |
| Vadtec | maybe, but i had most of them disabled so that it wouldnt be in the way | 00:36 |
| Vadtec | i should really use a diff bg for KDE and E17 | 00:36 |
| Vadtec | maybe then ill notice what im running in | 00:36 |
| Vadtec | uploading the pics now, had to update my ftp prog | 00:42 |
| Vadtec | tansell: http://vadtec.net/tp/tp-bad-user-1.jpg http://vadtec.net/tp/tp-bad-user-2.jpg http://vadtec.net/tp/tp-bad-user-3.jpg | 00:43 |
| Vadtec | sequence in that order | 00:43 |
| Vadtec | #3 is the error dialog | 00:43 |
| shenki | mithro: what was the dep that pulls in logilab? | 00:44 |
| shenki | tansell: ^ | 00:44 |
| tansell-laptop | python-constraint | 00:45 |
| Vadtec | i just started a game under the mtsec rules, and its gonna take 573 turns to get to the closest star system to me....? | 00:45 |
| Vadtec | nvm | 00:45 |
| Vadtec | doesnt matter | 00:45 |
| Vadtec | my head hurts | 00:46 |
| Vadtec | so im not gonna worry about it | 00:46 |
| Vadtec | i suppose the mtsec rules prevent giving orders to planets as well? | 00:48 |
| tansell | the only two working rulesets are | 00:59 |
| tansell | minisec and risk | 00:59 |
| Vadtec | just cause im curious, is that posted somewhere on the site or in the wiki? | 01:00 |
| Vadtec | cause i havent seen anything to that end | 01:00 |
| Vadtec | so if i have, please, slap me and tell me to wander off to bed | 01:00 |
| tansell | no | 01:02 |
| tansell | it's probably something which should be said more | 01:03 |
| tansell | oh, dronesec should work okay on tpserver-py | 01:03 |
| Vadtec | well at least im not missing things | 01:03 |
| Vadtec | tansell: you got a look at those screenshots i linked a min ago? im about to head to bed, so if you need me to do something else related to them lemme know | 01:04 |
| tansell | Vadtec, if you have instructions could you upload them all to a bug report? | 01:08 |
| tansell | IE I did a then b then c | 01:08 |
| Vadtec | tacker url? | 01:08 |
| Vadtec | or on the SF site? | 01:09 |
| tansell | http://code.google.com/p/thousandparsec | 01:09 |
| tpb | Title: thousandparsec - Google Code (at code.google.com) | 01:09 |
| tansell | the SF bug tracker is getting shutdown soon | 01:09 |
| Vadtec | good | 01:09 |
| Vadtec | SF bug trackers are annoying | 01:09 |
| Vadtec | lo | 01:09 |
| Vadtec | l | 01:09 |
| Vadtec | tansell: just fyi, the issue when clicking the close (X) button happens in KDE as well | 01:15 |
| tansell | okay | 01:16 |
| tansell | it could be a python 2.4 thing | 01:16 |
| Vadtec | thats what i was thinking | 01:16 |
| tansell | include your centos version and package versions | 01:16 |
| Vadtec | i will | 01:16 |
| Vadtec | tansell: submitted #70 | 01:27 |
| Vadtec | im goin to bed | 01:27 |
| Vadtec | ill be around after classes tomorrow | 01:27 |
| tansell-laptop | Vadtec, thanks | 01:46 |
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| llnz | hi Gaurav__, whacky | 05:02 |
| Gaurav__ | hi llnz | 05:04 |
| Gaurav__ | bact at home ? | 05:04 |
| llnz | no, not yet | 05:04 |
| whacky | llnz:hi | 05:07 |
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| llnz | later all | 05:15 |
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| JLP | ahoy everyone | 07:17 |
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| roshan08 | hi all | 07:49 |
| roshan08 | i have never done game development before, do difficult will it be for a totally new person, i know c/c++ and python | 07:50 |
| JLP | roshan08: hello there | 07:53 |
| JLP | roshan08: it shouldn't be that much different to other development | 07:54 |
| JLP | roshan08: and it depends which part you work on | 07:55 |
| JLP | roshan08: have you gone through the ideas list? | 07:55 |
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| gab32 | hello | 09:05 |
| mithro | hello gab32 | 09:07 |
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| roshan08 | JLP: hi | 09:23 |
| JLP | roshan08: welcome back | 09:24 |
| roshan08 | JLP: sorry was not there for a while | 09:25 |
| roshan08 | JLP: i am just going through the ideas | 09:25 |
| mithro | JLP: poke? | 09:50 |
| mithro | JLP: are you playing with the forums? I'm getting a m2f error when trying to post | 09:51 |
| JLP | mithro: yeah i was playing abit with m2f again, but i forgot to remove the m2f hooks | 09:51 |
| mithro | JLP: can you fix? | 09:52 |
| JLP | mithro: will do right away | 09:52 |
| mithro | JLP: I for now I think we should just wait until after GSoC | 09:52 |
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| tote | is there a risk demo game? | 09:52 |
| mithro | tote: if you clone the latest dev stuff you can start up a single player game locally | 09:54 |
| mithro | git clone git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/tpclient-pywx.git | 09:54 |
| mithro | git clone git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/tpserver-cpp.git | 09:55 |
| mithro | git clone git://git.thousandparsec.net/git/daneel-ai.git | 09:55 |
| mithro | then build tpserver-cpp (no need to install) | 09:55 |
| mithro | and run tpclient-pywx | 09:55 |
| tote | mithro: thanks, need to get a feel for diffrent games :) | 09:56 |
| mithro | well only minisec and risk really work | 09:56 |
| JLP | mithro: done | 09:56 |
| mithro | JLP: thanks! | 09:56 |
| mithro | JLP: we will need to revisit once GSoC is finished | 09:56 |
| JLP | yeah, it was a leftover when i was playing with m2f just before gsoc started | 09:57 |
| mithro | hopefully it didn't scare of anyone | 09:58 |
| JLP | hope so too | 09:58 |
| mithro | anyway I should be at home in bed | 09:59 |
| mithro | gnight! | 09:59 |
| gab32 | searching m2f on google (especially images.google) is just a wrong thing to do lol | 09:59 |
| mithro | JLP: btw can you test the above single player stuff? | 09:59 |
| mithro | JLP: specially if you can play a risk game to the end :) | 09:59 |
| JLP | mithro: i tested singleplayer when we had the hackday and i did play one risk game to the end (lost to AI :)) | 10:00 |
| JLP | since then i didn't test it yet to the ende, and both times i didn't have any problem with the spin control or what was it | 10:01 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 10:12 |
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| Patrick` | JLP: hey, mike's told me a bit about you, so I know you're sound. | 14:10 |
| JLP | Patrick`: well i try my best :) | 14:10 |
| Patrick` | I can financially afford not to do SoC this year, but I can't professionally afford not to do chemistry. By the end of the week (before the SOC deadline) I'll have arranged an unfunded placement with another research group | 14:12 |
| Patrick` | I'm not daunted, I'm not snubbed or bored. I just ... rushed into it :) | 14:13 |
| Patrick` | woulda been fun | 14:13 |
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| JLP | Patrick`: no problem, life's not simple, especually in times like this | 14:18 |
| Vadtec | sup | 14:19 |
| Patrick` | well, yeah, I feel like in principle I should go for the money | 14:20 |
| Patrick` | and it's not often you can say that | 14:20 |
| Patrick` | anyway | 14:21 |
| Patrick` | I'll see you around | 14:21 |
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| JLP | Vadtec: i'm still drinking hot tea with lemon, but it didn't help much so far :( | 14:28 |
| JLP | Vadtec: how are you doing? | 14:29 |
| Vadtec | good atm | 14:29 |
| Vadtec | easting some pork BBQ | 14:29 |
| Vadtec | good stuff | 14:29 |
| Vadtec | trying to decide what i want to do for GSOC related to TP | 14:29 |
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| Vadtec | hmmm | 14:43 |
| Landon | er, around what time is mithro usually on? I'd like to discuss some of the wxwidgent client ideas with him | 14:47 |
| JLP | Landon: it's 5:47 at his place now | 14:47 |
| JLP | so in a couple of hours he should wake up | 14:48 |
| Landon | ah ok | 14:48 |
| Vadtec | im looking at the list of ideas and am sorta gravitating to the protocol compliance stuff, but i have a question, how prevalent is protocol version 3 vs version 4 or vice versa? | 14:55 |
| JLP | Vadtec: we haven't even finished the specification for v4, so maybe only a feature here and there from v4 are supported and used | 14:56 |
| Vadtec | so it would mostly be v3 that would require testing with v4 features added to the test suit as needed | 14:57 |
| Landon | are tech trees something new in v4? (I'm looking at that as one of the improvements for the wxwidget client | 14:58 |
| JLP | yeah i guess, v4 can be added later to the test suite as needed | 14:58 |
| JLP | unless mithro or llnz have some other plans about this | 14:58 |
| JLP | Landon: yeah they will be in v4 | 14:58 |
| Landon | are they mostly specced out? | 15:00 |
| Landon | so I would know what I woudl be dealing with exactly | 15:00 |
| JLP | this is what we currently have → http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Research_Frames | 15:00 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/1cRO> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 15:00 |
| Vadtec | JLP: so, looking at the v3 protocol spec, TP uses a frame system to communicate, and anything that can be done/seen/performed in game is in the protocol, correct? | 15:02 |
| JLP | yup, protocol defines what is possible to implement in rulesets and what clients have to deal with | 15:03 |
| JLP | it is kinda like a basic building blocks are defined in it | 15:03 |
| Vadtec | interesting concept | 15:04 |
| Vadtec | each command is 100% encapsulated within its own construct | 15:04 |
| Vadtec | as is each response | 15:04 |
| Vadtec | and judging by the max frame size, it would be theorectically possible to transfer entire structures or other binary data from client to server or vice versa | 15:06 |
| Vadtec | time for some tunes so i can think on this | 15:08 |
| Vadtec | im looking in the 0.6.0 cpp server code trying to get a feel for the protocol and i see protocol.h, where is something akin to protocol.c? or is it used in each source file as needed? | 15:23 |
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| Vadtec | well, no matter | 15:41 |
| Vadtec | i need to talk to my school before signing up for anything GSOC related | 15:42 |
| Vadtec | gotta sort some stuff for financial aid and see if me not attending during the summer will throw a wrench into things | 15:42 |
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| skiffcz-gsoc | hello | 16:07 |
| Vadtec | hi | 16:08 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | there is a thing Id like to un-confuse in my head ... from what Ive seen so far, tp uses continual space .. I mean, the world is not discrete, right? | 16:08 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | the planets are like 12343567890 units far away | 16:09 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | is that becouse the world IS discrete, just huuuge | 16:09 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | lot of cells/tiles | 16:10 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | or its continuous and the location of objects (planets, ships) is just rounded/truncated to integer? | 16:10 |
| JLP | whell it is discrete as it is only possible to place objects at integer values for x, y and z | 16:11 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | ah .. good. thats what I needed to know | 16:12 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | so, just out of curiosity ... why so huge map? i.e., in galciv, the world is say 128x128 up to 512x512 .. or numbers like that | 16:13 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | and it seems perfectly ok | 16:14 |
| JLP | we wanted to get as close as possible to the size of the universe but we have run out of bits :) | 16:14 |
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| ezod | JLP: hehe | 16:14 |
| JLP | i guess we just didn't want to limit ourselves, so when google starts runing our servers on their cluster we can have huge spaces to play in | 16:15 |
| JLP | that's why mithro infiltrated into company, it's all part of the plan :) | 16:16 |
| Vadtec | lol | 16:16 |
| Vadtec | and people call me clandestine | 16:17 |
| Vadtec | i think i spelled that wrong | 16:17 |
| Vadtec | oh cool, i didnt | 16:17 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | JLP: :) I understand .. in fact its good, I can imagine that game with 10000 worlds and 1000 players will need more than 128^2 grid :) | 16:18 |
| Vadtec | afk, picking kids up from school | 16:18 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | just (hypothetical situation) if I tested some new ruleset or client, it will be better to have small universe to play with ... its good to know that its possible ;) | 16:19 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | *it would ... ah, that grammar | 16:20 |
| llnz | bbl, travelling | 16:21 |
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| Vadtec | back | 16:32 |
| JLP | oh nice the new applications system supports richtext and embedding images and similar | 16:33 |
| Vadtec | depending on how my school responds tomorrow about my financial aid, i will either submit an application to work on TP for GSOC or be greatly denied | 16:38 |
| JLP | well you can still submit the application, more applications for TP mean more slots for other students | 16:40 |
| JLP | as google has a fixed number of all slots and they get distributed proprotionaly according to the number of applications each project gets | 16:42 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | depending on my caffeine metabolism efficiency, I will submit mine like at the end of the week .. I want to have some sample code ready for you ;) | 16:42 |
| JLP | skiffcz-gsoc: no need to wait, you can always edit the application and add other things later | 16:42 |
| JLP | you know, release early, release often :) | 16:43 |
| Vadtec | hmmmm | 16:43 |
| Vadtec | well | 16:43 |
| Vadtec | if i have time | 16:43 |
| Vadtec | ill tender an application tonight then | 16:43 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | JLP: well, I know, but Im the kind of person who doesnt like to show hack version to others .. er, dont know why . | 16:44 |
| Vadtec | skiffcz-gsoc: sometimes its better to show hack code than try to perfect it in the first place | 16:44 |
| Vadtec | nearly everything i code is "hack" code and then i go back and fix it up all pretty | 16:45 |
| Vadtec | ive found that in general i get more done that way | 16:45 |
| Vadtec | cause i dont worry about how the code looks first off | 16:45 |
| * JLP has to go for a few minutes, brb | 16:46 | |
| skiffcz-gsoc | Vadtec: Im not against piggy code, I do some really nasty things often just to see if it works, I just dont feel the urge to spoil someones dinner with it :) | 16:48 |
| Vadtec | heh | 16:48 |
| Vadtec | i understand | 16:48 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | and ofc there is this situation | 16:50 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | A: urr .. it does nothing | 16:50 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | me: eh yeah, but it just need few touches and itt will be awesome | 16:50 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | A: cant see much | 16:51 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | me: ofc, but in my head its all there, just wait till you see :D | 16:51 |
| Vadtec | lol | 16:51 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | so, I rather dont tell A, and show it really when it at least does something | 16:51 |
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| gab32 | When I try to 'make' libtpproto-cpp-0.1.1 I get alot of "error: 'memcpy' was not declared in this scope". What am I doing wrong? | 17:08 |
| gab32 | it's related to buffer.cpp I believe | 17:10 |
| Vadtec | ummm, im not as versed in C++ as i used to be, but maybe you are missing an include? | 17:11 |
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| skiffcz-gsoc | gab32: i believe you dont have required headers installed | 17:18 |
| gab32 | skiffcz-gsoc: yes, I think I forgot to install something | 17:19 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | memcpy is stdio.h .. so you possibly want to install standard C headers? | 17:20 |
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| skiffcz-gsoc | gab32: I believe the package containing them is called libc-dev or libc(version)-dev | 17:22 |
| JLP | Vadtec: well regarding puting the application in early, it is of course you decision when you put it in, i can only tell you that generaly the ones that were in earlier in the past were better in the end | 17:23 |
| JLP | sam_sjohns67: ahoy there | 17:23 |
| Vadtec | JLP: aye | 17:23 |
| Vadtec | im trying to get to it atm | 17:24 |
| Vadtec | but i have other things in the way | 17:24 |
| JLP | gab32: you're probably using GCC 4.3, and they had some include cleanups in it | 17:24 |
| Vadtec | that and im still reading | 17:24 |
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| JLP | gab32: so some includes which were previously indirect are not now there anymore and had to be explicitely added | 17:25 |
| JLP | gab32: the latest code from git repository should contain fixes for this | 17:25 |
| JLP | Vadtec: no problem, just trying to give as much helpfull info | 17:26 |
| Vadtec | i do have a question though JLP | 17:26 |
| Vadtec | from the idea list, the section on protocol testing talks aobut "protocol libraries" | 17:26 |
| Vadtec | but when i look in the source | 17:26 |
| Vadtec | i dont see a .o or related for just the protocol routines | 17:27 |
| Vadtec | so is the idea to write an automated client that pounds at a server and checks its responses or for example to compile a protocol module for the cpp server and link it into a program and check it that way? | 17:28 |
| Vadtec | im not sure how they are wanting it tested | 17:28 |
| gab32 | skiffcz-gsoc: thanks for the help, I did install libc6-dev, but that didn't quite solve the problem | 17:31 |
| gab32 | JLP: got the code from git now and it worked like a charm, thanks :) | 17:31 |
| JLP | Vadtec: i0m not too sure about how to do protocol testing, you'll have to wait for mithro or llnz, or if maybe ezod remembers something about it | 17:32 |
| Vadtec | JLP: ok | 17:32 |
| Vadtec | ive done some testing before, but it was presented in a different format | 17:33 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | gab32: hm, then I cant help you Im afraid ... I compiled the server yesterday just fine.. | 17:34 |
| gab32 | skiffcz-gsoc: I had the wrong source code, now it works :) | 17:35 |
| skiffcz-gsoc | gab32: yeh, Im blind, sorry, I should have noticed that its 1.1 ... *wallhead* | 17:36 |
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| shrink | hi | 17:45 |
| gab32 | shrink: hello :) | 17:45 |
| shrink | hello gab32 | 17:46 |
| JLP | shenki: ahoy | 17:46 |
| JLP | preparing gsoc application for TP already? | 17:46 |
| shrink | I am interested in doing the Web Based client using Ruby on Rails | 17:48 |
| shrink | as a part of gsoc | 17:48 |
| JLP | cool, that's one new component we would like to see | 17:49 |
| JLP | i think there already is some ruby code for protocol library in there in repository | 17:49 |
| shrink | I have some experience in RoR app development | 17:49 |
| shrink | JLP, cool | 17:50 |
| shrink | So what do I do in order to familiarise with the project? | 17:51 |
| shrink | I'll ckech out the ruby code for the protocol lib, that's one thing | 17:51 |
| shrink | check* | 17:51 |
| JLP | shenki: read through the wiki pages, dev pages on webpage an check out the code | 17:52 |
| JLP | it's also nice to play a couple of games to get the feel for it, esp. if you're new to 4x games | 17:52 |
| shrink | JLP, ok | 17:53 |
| shrink | JLP, will get back to you. | 17:54 |
| gab32 | JLP: may I stress you abit about parsek client installation? :) http://pastebin.com/d10de8a46 tho I might be doing a foolish mistake | 18:06 |
| tpb | Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com) | 18:06 |
| JLP | gab32: the include files are installed in the right place? | 18:08 |
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| gab32 | JLP: got them in the right place now | 18:15 |
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| * JLP should go to bed before getting more sick | 19:49 | |
| JLP | good night everyone | 19:49 |
| llnz | cya JLP | 19:50 |
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| Vadtec | mithro: you active? | 22:32 |
| mithro | a little trying to get some actual work done | 22:32 |
| Vadtec | well, if you have time, i have a question about the protocol testing in the ideas list | 22:33 |
| Vadtec | mithro: http://vadtec.pastebin.com/m66bea89 has the exact question | 22:33 |
| tpb | Title: vadtec private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at vadtec.pastebin.com) | 22:33 |
| mithro | ask and I'll try and get to it when I have time | 22:33 |
| Vadtec | sure sure | 22:33 |
| Vadtec | ive to finish algebra anyways | 22:34 |
| cherez | Foul Java, thou art bested! | 22:37 |
| tansell | cherez, if you are dealing with java, you have already lost :P | 22:52 |
| cherez | It's for our school AI tournament. | 22:53 |
| cherez | I wrote this year's client, and it seems one of the other schools we invited only teaches Java in the curriculum. | 22:53 |
| cherez | So I'm writing some Java bindings. | 22:54 |
| tansell | cherez, sucks to be that other school | 22:56 |
| cherez | I know. | 22:56 |
| cherez | I feel so bad for them. | 22:56 |
| cherez | I feel cramped that my school primarily teaches C++, but those poor souls.... | 22:56 |
| Vadtec | any school that teaches only java has something wrong with it | 22:56 |
| Vadtec | any school that teaches only one lang has something wrong with it | 22:57 |
| cherez | Quite true. | 22:57 |
| tansell | dunno which is worse, C++ or Java | 22:57 |
| Vadtec | java | 22:57 |
| cherez | I'd have to say Java. | 22:57 |
| Vadtec | sure you can run an app on a toaster or coffee maker that should run on windows | 22:58 |
| Vadtec | but it has many issues that imo make it a less than appealing language | 22:58 |
| cherez | I just find Java's enforced structure painfully cumbersome. | 22:59 |
| cherez | It also seems to have a really scary culture around it. | 22:59 |
| Vadtec | not really | 23:00 |
| cherez | A culture that produces really huge source files in hundreds of classes with really large names. | 23:00 |
| cherez | Or maybe that's just Sun. | 23:00 |
| Vadtec | i just find that java developers are so sold on their own stuff they cant see past it | 23:00 |
| cherez | Mmm, maybe. | 23:00 |
| cherez | Last summer I did a lot of work with Java. | 23:00 |
| JLafont | meh, I used to despise Java, but since I've been forced to use it for work its grown on me | 23:00 |
| cherez | Ended up reimplementing a huge chunk of Swing. | 23:01 |
| JLafont | I think its nice for really large projects especially when you client doesn't really know what he/she wants | 23:01 |
| cherez | What makes it superior to other languages for really large projects? | 23:02 |
| tansell | JLafont, why - because development is so slow that by the time the client changes their mind, you haven't even started? :P | 23:02 |
| JLafont | haha, Well, refactoring is pretty easy when you force yourself into OO | 23:02 |
| JLafont | Sure, its not Python, but it serves its purpose | 23:03 |
| cherez | I don't like language-enforced structure. | 23:03 |
| JLafont | tansell, hahaha. I won't lie, I can never quite figure out how to start a Java Project. | 23:03 |
| JLafont | cherez, you'll appreciate it when you have to deal with people who may not follow the best coding pracitces :-P | 23:04 |
| JLafont | s/pracitces/practices | 23:04 |
| Vadtec | ill stick to things like C and Python, unless i just *have* to use java, like i do in my programming class this sem | 23:04 |
| cherez | Over the summer I ended up in some sort of weird "head intern" position and got to force all the people I worked with to obey my will. | 23:05 |
| JLafont | TBH, i'd be perfectly happy doing everything in Python, but my employer doesn't quite see it that way | 23:05 |
| Vadtec | lol cherez | 23:05 |
| Vadtec | you sound like me on one of my god trips on my irc net when people piss me off | 23:05 |
| cherez | Eh, I apparently impressed the CTO enough that he created a new tier in the hierarchy just for me. | 23:06 |
| cherez | I'm not really sure what I did. | 23:06 |
| tansell | so JLafont - we need to chat about tpserver-py sometime | 23:07 |
| tansell | JLafont, Iwanowich has been writing a tutorial on how to make the AI work with Minisec - it would be cool if we could make it work with DroneSec too | 23:07 |
| JLafont | tansell, agreed. Especially since I finally have what I could call "free time" | 23:07 |
| JLafont | tansell, sure thing. Is it in the wiki? | 23:08 |
| tansell | yes | 23:08 |
| tansell | http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Daneel-ai | 23:09 |
| tpb | Title: Daneel-ai - Thousand Parsec Wiki (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 23:09 |
| tansell | specifically - http://www.thousandparsec.net/wiki/Daneel-ai/tutorial | 23:09 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33A8> (at www.thousandparsec.net) | 23:09 |
| tansell | be back in 20 | 23:09 |
| JLafont | alrighty, I'll try to give it a go | 23:10 |
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| llnz | Vadtec: i will answer you questions about the protocol testing when I get home in about an hour or so, poke me and post the link again | 23:16 |
| Vadtec | ok | 23:17 |
| llnz | bbs | 23:27 |
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| ezod | mithro: ping? | 23:51 |
| ezod | mithro: did not receive your tpserver-cpp build | 23:55 |
| tansell | oh? | 23:55 |
| ezod | you emailed it to me? | 23:55 |
| mithro | ezod: yeah | 23:55 |
| mithro | uploading now too | 23:56 |
| ezod | ok | 23:56 |
| ezod | cygwin didn't install half of the stuff i told it to | 23:57 |
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| ezod | i'm trying to get a proper dev environment going | 23:57 |
| ezod | i had almost forgotten how painful windows makes things | 23:58 |
| ezod | been many years since i've used it this much in one day | 23:58 |
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