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| jasvir | madrazr: So now what should be the next step? Start discussion on mailing list? | 00:01 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Or start updating? | 00:01 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: you can just update it | 00:06 |
| madrazr | and see if it builds correctly | 00:07 |
| madrazr | visit pages that renders the tinyMCE widget | 00:07 |
| madrazr | and see if it works Ok | 00:07 |
| madrazr | by manually testing it | 00:07 |
| madrazr | if it works | 00:07 |
| madrazr | then send it for review | 00:07 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I don't think we need to have a discussion for this on the mailing list | 00:07 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok. I'll do it. | 00:08 |
| madrazr | if we are changing the text editor itself | 00:08 |
| madrazr | then that needs a discussion | 00:08 |
| madrazr | version upgrade | 00:08 |
| madrazr | we should just try it and show it that we have already done it | 00:08 |
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| madrazr | jasvir: ^ | 00:08 |
| madrazr | jasvir: awesome! | 00:08 |
| madrazr | thanks! | 00:08 |
| jasvir | madrazr: for what? | 00:09 |
| jasvir | madrazr: We all working on open source. So thanks is not required at all. You can say "good" when I'll complete updation :D. That'll increase my confidence too :) | 00:11 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Ok give back my thanks now ;-) | 00:11 |
| madrazr | jasvir: it is Ok to say thanks when you have even committed to do something | 00:12 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I'll give it back with patch for updation ;) | 00:12 |
| madrazr | I think we should be grateful for even jumping right into make changes happen too | 00:13 |
| madrazr | jasvir: tinyMCE update is something that we have been pushing from a long time | 00:13 |
| madrazr | and has not happened yet | 00:13 |
| jasvir | madrazr: It'll also put a zipper on lips of my friends who were keep on commenting on editor while submitting proposals :P | 00:15 |
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| jasvir | zip* | 00:15 |
| madrazr | jasvir: ha ha indeed | 00:15 |
| madrazr | and then you can brag that you made their lives better (for next year :P) | 00:15 |
| jasvir | madrazr: yeah :D | 00:16 |
| madrazr | jasvir: whoa! | 00:17 |
| madrazr | I am looking at this thing called redactor | 00:17 |
| madrazr | looks pretty neat | 00:17 |
| madrazr | slick | 00:17 |
| madrazr | when we evaluate (if at all we have to) alternatives for text editing | 00:18 |
| madrazr | we should consider redactor too | 00:18 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: Sure. We can put it into scene if we evaluate alternatives. | 00:22 |
| jasvir | madrazr: But | 00:22 |
| jasvir | madrazr: You mean this http://imperavi.com/redactor/? | 00:22 |
| tpb | Title: Redactor WYSIWYG html editor (at imperavi.com) | 00:22 |
| madrazr | jasvir: yeah | 00:23 |
| jasvir | madrazr: What is this, a 'buy' button? | 00:23 |
| jasvir | madrazr: http://imperavi.com/redactor/download/ | 00:23 |
| tpb | Title: Buy a license (at imperavi.com) | 00:23 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Licence | 00:26 |
| jasvir | madrazr: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/\ | 00:26 |
| jasvir | * http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ | 00:27 |
| tpb | Title: Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported CC BY-NC 3.0 (at creativecommons.org) | 00:27 |
| madrazr | jasvir: I know | 00:27 |
| madrazr | which is why I suggested it even, in the first place | 00:27 |
| madrazr | also it is open source | 00:27 |
| madrazr | https://github.com/dybskiy/redactor-js/blob/master/README.md | 00:27 |
| tpb | Title: redactor-js/README.md at master · dybskiy/redactor-js · GitHub (at github.com) | 00:27 |
| madrazr | jasvir: ^ | 00:27 |
| jasvir | madrazr: I thought that we should go for FOSS. | 00:28 |
| madrazr | jasvir: read above | 00:28 |
| madrazr | it is open source | 00:28 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Yeah. I know. | 00:28 |
| jasvir | madrazr: But not FOSS. | 00:28 |
| madrazr | then what are you thinking? | 00:28 |
| madrazr | jasvir: wait, what? | 00:28 |
| madrazr | what does that mean? | 00:28 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Free and Open Source Software. | 00:29 |
| madrazr | jasvir: heh | 00:29 |
| madrazr | then why is this not FOSS? | 00:29 |
| jasvir | madrazr: They said "NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. " | 00:29 |
| madrazr | jasvir: so? | 00:29 |
| jasvir | madrazr: What does that mean? | 00:29 |
| madrazr | jasvir: that means it is dual-licensed | 00:30 |
| madrazr | jasvir: for non commercial versions you can use the FOSS version | 00:30 |
| madrazr | jasvir: and for commercial purposes you need to buy a different license | 00:30 |
| madrazr | jasvir: much like how Qt works | 00:31 |
| madrazr | or how Qt used to work | 00:31 |
| madrazr | not sure if Qt still has dual-licensing under its new owners | 00:31 |
| jasvir | madrazr: madrazr Oh really? I didn't knew that Qt is having dual licence. | 00:31 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok | 00:31 |
| ThomasWaldmann | ah, life on the chan | 00:32 |
| ThomasWaldmann | anyone having feedback to my forms issue from some hours ago? | 00:33 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: link to the thread please? | 00:33 |
| madrazr | I have days behind catching up on Melange ML discussions | 00:33 |
| madrazr | *I am days | 00:33 |
| ThomasWaldmann | 19:35 ThomasWaldmann$ i just wrote some feedback to a student's proposal in melange. wanted to click middle mouse button, but hit left one. clicked on "back" in browser. All the feedback I already had written is GONE. :( | 00:34 |
| ThomasWaldmann | 19:36 ThomasWaldmann$ (clicked on a link in the proposal) | 00:34 |
| ThomasWaldmann | 19:36 ThomasWaldmann$ why is that? usually the form contents are still there if one goes back - does melange actively kill them? | 00:34 |
| ThomasWaldmann | 19:38 ThomasWaldmann$ (I use a touchpad with no real buttons, one finger = left click, two fingers = middle click, 3 fingers = right click) | 00:34 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: we don't "actively" kill the form content | 00:35 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Now I have to go and have a look at some exam stuff (eak) ,two hours left :P | 00:35 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: how there might be an unintended CSS rule that is killing the content | 00:35 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Catch you later :) | 00:35 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: I hate when such a thing happens too | 00:35 |
| ThomasWaldmann | madrazr: but the default behaviour of browsers is that form content is still there, right? | 00:36 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: please file an issue for that | 00:36 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: there is no solution for it at the moment though | 00:36 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: depends on the browser/version etc. | 00:36 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: I can't speak for all browsers | 00:36 |
| ThomasWaldmann | firefox here, on ubuntu | 00:36 |
| madrazr | Google Chrome tries to retain the content when it can | 00:36 |
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| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: not sure | 00:37 |
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| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: I tried on Firefox 28 on Ubuntu | 00:46 |
| madrazr | works fine for me | 00:46 |
| madrazr | navigating back to the proposal review page | 00:46 |
| madrazr | still retains the unsubmitted review comment | 00:46 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: please try this once again? If it happens again, please file an issue with browser version, OS/Distro version etc. details so that we can try to reproduce the issue | 00:48 |
| ThomasWaldmann | issue 2144 | 00:51 |
| ThomasWaldmann | and i reproduced the bug | 00:53 |
| ThomasWaldmann | madrazr: | 00:54 |
| ThomasWaldmann | added a commend to that issue, very strange... | 01:07 |
| ThomasWaldmann | t* | 01:07 |
| olly | ThomasWaldmann: i think i've seen that too | 01:09 |
| ThomasWaldmann | seems to be heisenbug somehow | 01:09 |
| olly | yeah, I just tested and it didn't happen | 01:10 |
| ThomasWaldmann | only happens if you put a lot of work into the form contents :P | 01:11 |
| olly | perhaps that's just when you really notice | 01:11 |
| * ThomasWaldmann remembers some PSF election or questionaire with same issue | 01:12 | |
| ThomasWaldmann | one wrong click and it nukes all the work (and in that case, one could not easily just use some external editor and c&p) | 01:13 |
| olly | I've had it at sourceforge before | 01:13 |
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| rusnic | hi.. anybody there? | 04:45 |
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| rusnic | Any gsoc applicant for melange here? | 04:52 |
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| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: thanks for filing the issue | 06:40 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: is this unpredictable for the same proposal, same link that you click? | 06:40 |
| madrazr | ThomasWaldmann: also I wonder if this has something to do with the amount of time you take to go back? | 06:41 |
| madrazr | rusnic: one of the mentors here | 06:48 |
| madrazr | rusnic: what's up? | 06:48 |
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| rusnic | madrazr: Hi. I am applicant for gsoc and i am looking forward to redsign the melange UI with infographic styled flat UI and also make it responsive. | 08:11 |
| rusnic | madrazr: i have not had a chance to get a feedback from any of the melange mentors yet. I am curious to get a feedback and work on what ever it takes to make it to gsoc this time. | 08:12 |
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| rusnic | madrazr: this is my first cut design mock up for the gsoc landing page (which i want to work on and make it even better) - http://russel.in/gsoc-mockup/ | 08:17 |
| tpb | Title: Gsoc - Mockup (at russel.in) | 08:17 |
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| madrazr | rusnic: the first look mockup looks really cool | 08:24 |
| madrazr | rusnic: we are processing applications | 08:24 |
| madrazr | reading them | 08:24 |
| madrazr | if we need any additional information we will leave a comment on your proposal | 08:25 |
| rusnic | oh im so glad to hear that :) | 08:25 |
| madrazr | but in general, things you need to do in the meantime is to start contributing to Melange | 08:25 |
| madrazr | one of our requirements is to have contributed some code | 08:26 |
| rusnic | contribute as in ? | 08:26 |
| madrazr | rusnic: submit some patch(es) | 08:26 |
| rusnic | i dont have any prior experience contributing code to open source community. but i am really looking forward to it. | 08:26 |
| rusnic | madrazr: can you give me pointers on how i can do that? | 08:27 |
| madrazr | rusnic: pick one of the issues from our issue tracker | 08:27 |
| madrazr | https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list | 08:27 |
| madrazr | here | 08:27 |
| tpb | Title: Issues - soc - SoC (Spice of Creation) - Google Project Hosting (at code.google.com) | 08:27 |
| madrazr | anything that interests you | 08:28 |
| madrazr | talk to us about it | 08:28 |
| madrazr | about how you want to go about fixing it | 08:28 |
| madrazr | then work on it | 08:28 |
| rusnic | alright :) .. i check it out and will get started | 08:28 |
| madrazr | follow the guidelines here to submit your work https://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ContributingCode | 08:28 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BT$P> (at code.google.com) | 08:28 |
| rusnic | can i know the best time of the day to catch up on IRC | 08:29 |
| madrazr | also are you on our mailing list? | 08:29 |
| rusnic | i joined today | 08:29 |
| madrazr | rusnic: cool | 08:30 |
| madrazr | rusnic: I will be on IRC and active when you see me here | 08:30 |
| madrazr | I am not sure if I can commit to any schedule | 08:30 |
| madrazr | but generally I will be around during Californian day time | 08:30 |
| rusnic | Okay cool. | 08:31 |
| rusnic | Broadly i wanted to know if melange would be interested in the project i have proposed. Is it something which you can enlighten me about? | 08:32 |
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| madrazr | rusnic: I have to look at your proposal | 08:41 |
| madrazr | rusnic: I can't say much if I haven't looked at the proposal | 08:41 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: hello. Have you reviewed my proposal? Lennard commented there. I don't know that my reply is right or not. If you have some spare time, please review it. | 08:50 |
| madrazr | jasvir: Lennard is reviewing the proposals | 08:51 |
| madrazr | jasvir: we are all jumping in | 08:51 |
| madrazr | but he is far ahead | 08:51 |
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| jasvir | madrazr: decision is to be made by single person? | 08:51 |
| madrazr | jasvir: no? | 08:52 |
| jasvir | madrazr: Ok. | 08:52 |
| rusnic | madrazr: Alright! i wait for your feedback :) | 08:53 |
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| jasvir | rusnic: nice mockup (y) | 09:21 |
| rusnic | jasvir: Thank you! | 09:23 |
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| akansh | hello guys, I am akansh gulati | 11:22 |
| akansh | I have applied for GSOC and it`s my first attempt. Since I have applied for Student Flow project, I want to know what should I do best now | 11:24 |
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| akansh | hey guys anybody active here? | 11:39 |
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| rusnic | Yes! | 11:55 |
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| ariz | hello, i've applied to melange for gsoc this year.whats the best thing I could do now to improve my chances this year.i am a complete newbie. | 12:46 |
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| ariz | hello, i submitted a project to melange for gsoc this year. can anybody please suggest how to contact the mentors? I tried but I think I made a mistake by sending them personal emails before applying. | 13:29 |
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| rusnic | ariz: The best thing you can do is to stay in close touch with melange on irc, contribute code to melange and so on. | 13:43 |
| ariz | I think my proposal was very vague. I am new to open-source and don't have much idea how things go here. Do you think I can improve my chances of getting selected, even though my proposal was not upto the mark? | 13:45 |
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| rusnic | ariz: Yeah! of course you can. participate in mailing list and try to catch up with mentors promptly. I myself am an applicant only. good luck. | 14:36 |
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| Uli- | hey there. | 16:30 |
| Uli- | i just spent the last 20 minutes populating a custom field for all our ~100 proposals only to notice after reloading the list of proposals, that only the first one got persisted. | 16:31 |
| Uli- | what prevented the others from being saved? | 16:32 |
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| jasvir | shikher: hello | 17:09 |
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| jasvir | olly: ping | 17:14 |
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| shikher | madrazr: hey | 19:00 |
| madrazr | shikher: Hi | 19:00 |
| chitrank | Hello @madrazr | 19:00 |
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| madrazr | chitrank: HI | 19:00 |
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| chitrank | madrazr: I have submitted my application on the Responsive UI here is the application http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/student/google/gsoc2014/chitrankdixit/5724160613416960 | 19:01 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BWcn> (at www.google-melange.com) | 19:01 |
| chitrank | I also submitted the application for review from any mentor before the student application deadline but I was unable to get review from any person | 19:02 |
| chitrank | I would just like to know How is my application and what should I do to justify it | 19:03 |
| madrazr | chitrank: we are reading through the proposals | 19:03 |
| madrazr | chitrank: if there is no comment on it yet, we still don't have anything to say at this point | 19:03 |
| chitrank | madrazr: okay | 19:04 |
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| shikher | madrazr: I was writing test cases for a feature I worked on. When I run same code locally the data.ndb_profile is not None. While in test case, when I do logging.error(data.ndb_profile) , it is coming as None. https://gist.github.com/shikher/55f146d955b6fb8e43d7 | 19:08 |
| tpb | Title: gist:55f146d955b6fb8e43d7 (at gist.github.com) | 19:08 |
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| olly | Uli-: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=2141 | 19:33 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/BWhK> (at code.google.com) | 19:33 |
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| shikher | madrazr: ping | 20:58 |
| madrazr | shikher: it is because you are only seeding a User entity but not a Profile entity | 21:03 |
| shikher | madrazr: thnx. will try tht. :) | 21:05 |
| madrazr | shikher: cool | 21:05 |
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| shikher | madrazr: its working now. thnx. | 21:21 |
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| madrazr | shikher: NP | 21:28 |
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| Uli- | olly: thanks, that's exactly what I experienced. | 21:50 |
| olly | Uli-: if you reload after each entry, it's painful but works | 21:51 |
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| Uli- | olly: yeah. i'll try again tomorrow, i'm in no mood to go through the 100 proposals again right now ;) | 21:57 |
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| shikher | madrazr: while testing, I need to check a count of entites. Should I query the ndb datastore or check the number of entries in my list. Does it matter? | 22:12 |
| madrazr | what is your list? | 22:13 |
| shikher | madrazr: A list of program admins. | 22:14 |
| shikher | I am doing a remove query and asserting count | 22:14 |
| madrazr | shikher: I did not mean what does it contains | 22:14 |
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| madrazr | I meant, where does your list come from? | 22:14 |
| shikher | madrazr: come from? can u elaborate please. | 22:15 |
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| madrazr | shikher: where do you obtain that list from? | 22:15 |
| madrazr | where do you get that list from? | 22:16 |
| madrazr | what kind of a list is it? | 22:16 |
| shikher | madrazr: not helpful. | 22:16 |
| shikher | I have declared my own list, with my own declared fields | 22:16 |
| shikher | Is tht wat u mean? | 22:16 |
| madrazr | It is still not clear to me what that list is | 22:17 |
| madrazr | is it a Python list datastructure you are talking about | 22:17 |
| madrazr | that you build in your test case | 22:17 |
| madrazr | or are you talking about Melange lists | 22:17 |
| shikher | Melange Lists | 22:17 |
| madrazr | which the views render | 22:17 |
| madrazr | shikher: Ok | 22:18 |
| madrazr | and why do you want to count? | 22:18 |
| madrazr | explain your test in detail | 22:18 |
| madrazr | what are you trying to do? | 22:18 |
| shikher | to assert count of admins after removal | 22:18 |
| madrazr | what is your assertion? | 22:19 |
| shikher | assertEqual | 22:19 |
| madrazr | also, it will save us all sometime if you explain your test in a bit more detail | 22:19 |
| madrazr | otherwise, we can have this back and forth for ever | 22:19 |
| madrazr | s/sometime/some time/ | 22:20 |
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| shikher | madrazr: I count the number of admins present for a test program | 22:20 |
| madrazr | shikher: take a step back | 22:21 |
| madrazr | what is the goal of your test? | 22:21 |
| shikher | then I make a POST request to remove a admin | 22:21 |
| madrazr | what are you calling the test function? | 22:21 |
| madrazr | if you were to make a one line summary of what you are testing for | 22:21 |
| madrazr | how would you write that? | 22:21 |
| shikher | To check working of the list for all program admins, which also has a remove button | 22:21 |
| madrazr | ex: docstring for the test function | 22:21 |
| madrazr | shikher: Ok good | 22:21 |
| madrazr | shikher: now | 22:21 |
| madrazr | steps of your test? | 22:21 |
| shikher | madrazr: I count the number of admins present for a test program | 22:22 |
| shikher | then I make a POST request to remove a admin | 22:22 |
| shikher | Then I count again, to assure that it is one less | 22:22 |
| madrazr | shikher: Ok cool | 22:22 |
| madrazr | shikher: it is so much more clear now | 22:22 |
| madrazr | only if you had said this before than giving half-information | 22:23 |
| madrazr | shikher: anyway | 22:23 |
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| madrazr | shikher: so these two counts are what you are asking about now? | 22:23 |
| shikher | madrazr: while testing, I need to check a count of entites. Should I query the ndb datastore or check the number of entries in my list. Does it matter? | 22:24 |
| madrazr | shikher: it really does not matter as long as list is doing the right thing | 22:25 |
| madrazr | shikher: however, it is better to trust the canonical source | 22:25 |
| madrazr | which is the datastore | 22:25 |
| shikher | madrazr: as for the implementation, where should I do this query? | 22:27 |
| shikher | btw I am going wid the datastore. | 22:27 |
| madrazr | shikher: in your test | 22:27 |
| madrazr | shikher: two separate queries | 22:27 |
| madrazr | for two separate counts | 22:28 |
| madrazr | before and after | 22:28 |
| shikher | ofcourse. wat i mean is, Shoudn't I write a separate function in another module. then import that module and then call this function? | 22:28 |
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| shikher | madrazr: Following how other tests are written, I think I should write it in profile model. | 22:33 |
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| madrazr | shikher: where do we do that for one-off queries in tests? | 22:43 |
| madrazr | I will be surprised to see that code now | 22:43 |
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| shikher | madrazr: actually, it is not a one off query. I have to check all profile if their host_for contains the program key and return this count. | 23:11 |
| madrazr | shikher: and how is that not a one off query? | 23:13 |
| madrazr | shikher: where else are we going to re-use this? | 23:13 |
| shikher | madrazr: by one-off I thought u meant, write one line query. | 23:15 |
| shikher | madrazr: in tht case, it is a one-off query. | 23:16 |
| shikher | madrazr: also, | 23:18 |
| shikher | I have written a query (not for count, but for list of all program admins) in melange/logic, would it not be better to import tht, and calculate count from it? | 23:19 |
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| ashishk | madrazr: hi | 23:48 |
| madrazr | shikher: I am not a fan of that idea | 23:56 |
| madrazr | technically you can do that | 23:56 |
| madrazr | but I would like to have our tests isolated | 23:57 |
| madrazr | so that we are actually testing | 23:57 |
| shikher | ok. I can make the function inside the test itself. | 23:58 |
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