Tuesday, 2010-03-02

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neo7I have posted some of my doubts about melange framework, kindly post a reply on it.18:36
* neo7 is waiting for someone to answer.18:38
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* neo7 waiting for the doubts to be cleared.18:44
MatthewWilkesneo7: Are you planning to comment every couple of minutes until somebody does?18:59
neo7MatthewWilkes: no, I was actually having a connection problem on my side, so I thought the message didn't reach. This was the second comment only.19:00
neo7MatthewWilkes: sorry for the inconvenience :)19:01
MatthewWilkesno problem, we all have connection issues sometimes19:01
MatthewWilkesWhere did you post it? I don't recall seeing it19:01
neo7I posted on the mailing list.19:01
MatthewWilkeswhich one? melange-dev?19:01
neo7no. its on melange soc19:02
neo7should I post the questions on melange dev?19:02
neo7or is it ok with the melange-soc19:02
MatthewWilkesI can't see it on melange-soc19:03
tpbTitle: melange-soc | Google Groups (at groups.google.com)19:03
MatthewWilkesunless it was a while ago?19:03
neo7yes, it was around 10 minutes ago19:04
MatthewWilkesDid you send it from the address you subscribed to?  If not, it might be being held for moderation19:05
neo7yes, it is being held for the moderation. I posted it directly on the Group.19:06
MatthewWilkesRight, you'll have to wait for someone that can moderate to have a look at the queue then19:06
neo7yes, I am waiting for it. I hope sverre answers it :)19:06
neo7MatthewWilkes: how many got selected last year, from melange?19:08
MatthewWilkeshmm, let's think, there was dhans and madhu at least19:11
MatthewWilkesThere were at least 3.  Maybe 4?19:12
MatthewWilkesdon't recall exactly, it'll be on socghop though19:12
neo7yes, I knew about Madhu19:13
neo7and how many projects out of how many projects got selected?19:14
neo7any idea about that.19:14
neo7MatthewWilkes: ?19:18
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matthewwilkes_neo7: No clue19:29
lhneo7: what is the question?19:30
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MatthewWilkeslh: It was the number of applications to places for melange last year19:34
lhMatthewWilkes: ah. i wish i could recall. I believe it was around 50.19:36
MatthewWilkesThat many? Wow! That's great19:37
MatthewWilkesneo7: The limiting factor with melange is that there are very few people who can mentor.  There are more this year than last, though.19:37
MatthewWilkesAlthough, mentor resources are probably the limiting factor for most orgs, now I think about it.19:38
lhMatthewWilkes: exactly correct19:38
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MatthewWilkeslh: There's always going to be too few tuits on projects.  I was very happy yesterday to get my 6 month old patch to appengine accepted19:40
MatthewWilkesOnce that gets released melange will run on my mac without me manually patching things :)19:40
lhMatthewWilkes: and congratulations to you for that19:41
MatthewWilkesIt's all down to the magic of twitter, one of your former coworkers spotted me complaining and poked the correct people19:42
lhnice. i am so glad to hear that.19:42
lhwhich one if i may ask?19:42
neo7MatthewWilkes: and lh: I patched the header problem.19:43
lhneo7: which bug?19:43
tpb<http://ln-s.net/571C> (at code.google.com)19:43
MatthewWilkeslh: Mike Repass spoke to Sean Lynch who set Guido on it19:44
lhneo7: that is a good way to get the melange folks to know about how you work. :)19:44
neo7thanks ma'am19:44
neo7BTW my problem was regarding the framework and the block diagram shown on the melange intro page.19:46
neo7I wanted to know about the generic controllers.19:46
neo7and about the technical details on it.19:46
lhneo7: i wish i understood all that. keep an eye out for srabbelier and lennie19:48
neo7yes, I am keeping it.19:48
madrazrMatthewWilkes: tell me that one solves the problem we have with our functional tests and I jump and dance, phew phew :P20:45
MatthewWilkesmadrazr: No, this is a 2 liner.  The ftesting one is about 150 lines, but now I know who to talk to it might be possible to get it done20:47
madrazrMatthewWilkes: that will be awesome cool! :)20:47
MatthewWilkesI kinda suspect they don't want the dev_appserver to get better because it encourages people to use the real system, but that's unfounded ;)20:49
madrazrMatthewWilkes: LoL! I must say, I quite don't understand that logic at all20:51
madrazrI think I must log out now, battery is draining and no power supply here atm, see you people20:53
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* Erant pokes SRabbelier 23:06
SRabbelierErant: whadoyawant23:06
ErantI found moar fail23:07
ErantYou're not checking the write rights on overwrite of a document23:07
ErantAs in, I can't edit a certain document because I'm not in the admin group, but it'll let me overwrite it just fine. (It also doesn't warn when you're trying to overwrite, fwiw)23:07
MatthewWilkesErant: How is overwrite different to edit?23:08
SRabbelierErant: ah, so you pretend to create, then re-use the link-id?23:08
ErantMatthewWilkes: 'Overwrite' means create a new document with the same link_id. Edit means use the editor23:09
* Erant goes to file bug23:09
SRabbelierErant: cute hack :)23:09
ErantI'm reaching at this point. :P Slowly but surely running out of things to try.23:10
SRabbelierErant: rtc :D23:12
ErantIf you see him, tell Lennie I'm sorry I killed his home_page document. :P23:14
SRabbeliermeany :D23:15
SRabbelierhis poor document23:15
SRabbelierI'm sure it's family is mourning23:15
ErantUndoubtably. I made a new one though! :P23:15
MatthewWilkesErant: is it better?23:16
ErantIt's interesting how an overwrite doesn't modify the creation date.23:16
ErantMatthewWilkes: 'Different' :P My tests have a high content of 'buh' 'blip, blop, blap' and especially 'stuff'.23:17
SRabbelierErant: it's because we call CreateOrUpdate23:21
SRabbelierErant: iow, since you didn't explicitly modify the creation data, it isn't changed23:21
SRabbelierErant: (the creation data is an "auto" property)23:21
ErantAh, k23:28
ErantWait, the timestamp is sent from the client?23:28
SRabbelierErant: no, it's _not_23:29
SRabbelierErant: it's automatically set by Appengine23:29
ErantOooh, like so.23:29
MatthewWilkesoooh *thought*23:34
SRabbelierErant: http://cappuccino.org/discuss/2010/03/01/internet-explorer-global-variables-and-stack-overflows/23:34
tpb<http://ln-s.net/58zX> (at cappuccino.org)23:34
SRabbelierErant: IE needs to diaf23:34
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ErantIt's why you don't use it, obv.23:39
SRabbelierErant: hehe ^^23:39
MatthewWilkesurgh, 500 error on register as a student - is there a workaround?23:49
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: ^^^ or is it even a known problem?23:52
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: depends on the 500, is it one from AppEngine?23:53
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: or is it a Melange error page?23:53
MatthewWilkesApp engine23:53
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: ah, nope23:53
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: I see the error23:53
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SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: (in the logs)23:53
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: please report it as an issue, I'll attach the traceback23:54
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=74423:56
tpb<http://ln-s.net/58zu> (at code.google.com)23:56
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: awesome, thank you23:57

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