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| madrazr | Lennie: ping | 15:00 |
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| madrazr | bawaah what a timing :P | 15:00 |
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| madrazr | Guest25527: whats the number that follows after Guest? :P | 15:03 |
| madrazr | what does it signify? | 15:03 |
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| SRabbelier | madrazr: ping | 15:10 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: pong | 15:10 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: we're having troubles wit hthe internets in the hotel | 15:10 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: (which is where we lured lennard into) | 15:10 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: ah Ok | 15:11 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: giving him my lapotp | 15:11 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: LH is also there? :P | 15:11 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: Ok | 15:11 |
| *** SRabbelier is now known as Lennie-Kidnaped | 15:11 | |
| madrazr | HA HA HA :D | 15:11 |
| dr__house | LOL!:D | 15:11 |
| madrazr | ROFLMAO ^ | 15:11 |
| Lennie-Kidnaped | wassup :) | 15:12 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Kidnaped: praying for your safe return ;-) | 15:12 |
| madrazr | ask Sverre whats the ransom :D | 15:12 |
| madrazr | ?> | 15:12 |
| Lennie-Kidnaped | hopefully not too mcuh :P | 15:14 |
| Lennie-Kidnaped | I'm still a student ^^ | 15:14 |
| madrazr | he he | 15:14 |
| Lennie-Kidnaped | lets get started | 15:14 |
| dr__house | Lennie-Kidnaped: you remind of Lennard from TBBT :P | 15:14 |
| Lennie-Kidnaped | :) | 15:14 |
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| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: are we starting the meeting now? | 15:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah | 15:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | improvisatoin :) | 15:16 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: of? | 15:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | I don't have all the info I need on hand due to internet problems :D | 15:16 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Oh sad | 15:16 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: so changes in the agenda? | 15:17 |
| Lennie-Melange | so is anybody else here besides madrazr? | 15:17 |
| Lennie-Melange | we have Sverre and Leslie on my side :) | 15:17 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I guessed LH would be there :D | 15:17 |
| * madrazr waves to LH | 15:17 | |
| madrazr | we track your whereabouts too ;-) | 15:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | :) | 15:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | so | 15:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | 1. Was the outcome of the last meeting satisfactory? Are there any outstanding issues with the requirements? | 15:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | is the first point on the agenda | 15:18 |
| madrazr | it was satisfactory for me | 15:18 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: no, there aren't any issues with requirements for now | 15:19 |
| Lennie-Melange | if noone else is here we can get this over with quickly, most of the work needs to be done on the wiki anyway | 15:19 |
| Lennie-Melange | you saw that I added the requirement for publishing tasks? | 15:20 |
| ajaksu | guys, just because I worry about you getting your logs mixed: aren't meetings usually done in #melangedev ? | 15:20 |
| Lennie-Melange | nope | 15:20 |
| Lennie-Melange | that's just for dev talk only :) | 15:20 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yes | 15:20 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: you added, ability to hide tasks and feeds? | 15:20 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah | 15:20 |
| Lennie-Melange | feeds is NTH right? | 15:20 |
| Lennie-Melange | it might use some of the work of James levy | 15:21 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah | 15:21 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:21 |
| Lennie-Melange | let's talk some code then :D | 15:21 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:21 |
| Lennie-Melange | models are the first up on your timeline right? | 15:21 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah | 15:22 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: btw I put the timeline on the design wiki and updated it a bit | 15:23 |
| Lennie-Melange | I saw the diff fly by | 15:23 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: OK | 15:23 |
| Lennie-Melange | it was one of the points on the agenda to post that | 15:23 |
| Lennie-Melange | so others know what and when to expect | 15:23 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Oh Ok | 15:23 |
| Lennie-Melange | and so I can publicly torture you when you fail to make deadlines ^^ | 15:24 |
| madrazr | ROFL :D | 15:24 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Wiki ftw! edit timelines :P | 15:24 |
| * madrazr runs | 15:24 | |
| * Lennie-Melange awaits madrazr arodun the corner | 15:25 | |
| Lennie-Melange | (hurray for remote desktop lag :D) | 15:25 |
| * madrazr is back :P | 15:25 | |
| Lennie-Melange | so datamodels | 15:25 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I had proposed 5 in my proposal | 15:26 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: do you have plans other than that? | 15:26 |
| Lennie-Melange | hold on getting your proposal :) | 15:26 |
| Lennie-Melange | sorry for slowness today :( | 15:27 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: absolutely no problem | 15:28 |
| Lennie-Melange | Your 5 are, task, tasktrack, orgtask,reopenedtasks,student | 15:28 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yes | 15:29 |
| Lennie-Melange | I think we've discussed the task model on the wiki? | 15:29 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah | 15:30 |
| Lennie-Melange | orgtask should just be an expension of the org model | 15:30 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: we have discussed only about Student Property | 15:30 |
| Lennie-Melange | so that we can add the maximum number of allowed tasks field | 15:30 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:30 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah Ok continue | 15:31 |
| Lennie-Melange | let's discuss tasks model and put the rest on the wiki since noone else is here :D | 15:31 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:31 |
| Lennie-Melange | I would like to suggest that you put a datamodel design on the wiki then | 15:31 |
| Lennie-Melange | with all the fields you are going to use | 15:31 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok making a note of it | 15:32 |
| Lennie-Melange | are you okay with that? Because it is easier to discuss when it is on paper | 15:32 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yes | 15:32 |
| Lennie-Melange | the tasks can have a state property like the ones we described | 15:32 |
| Lennie-Melange | still needs to included the unpublished state though | 15:33 |
| Lennie-Melange | since that got added a few days ago | 15:33 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah Ok | 15:33 |
| Lennie-Melange | I'm wondering what you'll come up with for comments and other stuff :) | 15:33 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Comments cannot use the existing GSoC models? | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | hmm | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | not the one used in GSoC | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | but there is a more general one | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | it's the Comment model | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | so you should try and take a look at it | 15:34 |
| Lennie-Melange | and see if it fits into your plan | 15:35 |
| Lennie-Melange | hmm | 15:35 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:35 |
| Lennie-Melange | because this meeting is not easy for me it would be better to use LH because this is the only day she'll be doing stuff :) | 15:35 |
| Lennie-Melange | so it might be best if we do the questions and discuss the UI on a more convient time/place | 15:36 |
| Lennie-Melange | preferably with Pawel :) | 15:36 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok :) | 15:36 |
| Lennie-Melange | so bring on any questions you have so far about GHOP :) | 15:36 |
| * madrazr goes to see the questions listed on the Design page | 15:37 | |
| Lennie-Melange | ok | 15:37 |
| madrazr | firstly, should mentors be allowed to delete the tasks that is already claimed/requested to be claimed once? | 15:37 |
| Lennie-Melange | no | 15:37 |
| Lennie-Melange | that would be unfair :) | 15:37 |
| Lennie-Melange | it's against contest rules afaik | 15:38 |
| * Lennie-Melange points at LH :P | 15:38 | |
| Lennie-Melange | only when they have not been claimed | 15:38 |
| Lennie-Melange | as long as a student has not shown interest in the task then it can be deleted | 15:38 |
| madrazr | what if the mentoring organization finds that the task to be completed by school kids after a student fails to complete it? | 15:38 |
| Lennie-Melange | so as long as nobody requests to clam it | 15:38 |
| madrazr | *task is too difficult to be completed | 15:39 |
| Lennie-Melange | it can be deleted then | 15:39 |
| Lennie-Melange | so as long as it in the open or repoened state it can be deeted | 15:39 |
| Lennie-Melange | or ofcourse the unpublished ones | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | they can be deleted as well | 15:40 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | but as soon as student has requested the claim it cannot | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | (are you updating the wiki this info?) | 15:40 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yes | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | awesome | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | next Q | 15:40 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: not yet over | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:40 |
| Lennie-Melange | continue | 15:40 |
| madrazr | should mentors be allowed to delete | 15:40 |
| madrazr | ? | 15:40 |
| madrazr | or only OAs? | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah they can | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | we trust them :) | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | so mentors can delete | 15:41 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: without OAs approval? | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | yes | 15:41 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: cool! | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | just on their own accord | 15:41 |
| Lennie-Melange | makes it easier :) | 15:42 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: can mentor James delete the task created by mentor Paul? | 15:42 |
| Lennie-Melange | yes | 15:42 |
| Lennie-Melange | they can do that | 15:42 |
| Lennie-Melange | regardless of who is the assigned mentor | 15:42 |
| madrazr | Ok | 15:42 |
| madrazr | so that also means mentors will be allowed to edit tasks regardless of who created it? | 15:42 |
| madrazr | or who is assigned as mentor for that task? | 15:43 |
| Lennie-Melange | yes all mentors can | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | something just popped up here | 15:44 |
| madrazr | Ok | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | we should store mutliple mentors for one tasks | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | so people know who to contact | 15:44 |
| madrazr | Ok | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | they can edit any tasks that has been approved/created by OA | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | but | 15:44 |
| Lennie-Melange | the tasks cannot be edited when they have been claimed | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | same as deletion | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | contest rules | 15:45 |
| madrazr | Ok | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | they can add comments if mistakes happen | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | we'll get to deadline stuff later (if I look at the questoins) | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | anything else about the power of mentors? | 15:45 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: done | 15:45 |
| Lennie-Melange | it's just almost the same like OA but they cannot publish their own tassks | 15:46 |
| Lennie-Melange | OA has to approve the task :) | 15:46 |
| Lennie-Melange | but we already talked about that | 15:46 |
| madrazr | yeah | 15:46 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:46 |
| Lennie-Melange | next :D? | 15:46 |
| Lennie-Melange | hmm | 15:47 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: the one before the deadline extension stuff :) | 15:47 |
| Lennie-Melange | that's about the URl stuff? | 15:47 |
| Lennie-Melange | URL | 15:47 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: how should edits be handled | 15:47 |
| madrazr | ? | 15:47 |
| Lennie-Melange | as in? | 15:47 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I had planned that whenever OA/mentor should change in anything related to the task including changing the state or editing the content itself he must goto Edit | 15:48 |
| madrazr | the same interface appears | 15:48 |
| Lennie-Melange | the state mostly changes automatically tright? | 15:49 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Assigned is not done automatically | 15:50 |
| Lennie-Melange | most of it ^^ | 15:50 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I think it is the other way round, only some are automatic | 15:50 |
| Lennie-Melange | assigned is easy right? because the student already showed interest? | 15:50 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:51 |
| Lennie-Melange | so | 15:51 |
| madrazr | yeah | 15:52 |
| Lennie-Melange | a real edit can only be done when the task is open | 15:52 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: so they both must be separated? | 15:53 |
| Lennie-Melange | sounds sane | 15:53 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:53 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I think thats all I had | 15:54 |
| madrazr | :( | 15:54 |
| Lennie-Melange | we can dicuss views on the wiki after you put up the models? | 15:54 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah | 15:55 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: models you want me to put as UML? | 15:55 |
| Lennie-Melange | there is one more question about deadline extension on the wiki | 15:55 |
| Lennie-Melange | hmm | 15:55 |
| Lennie-Melange | whatever makes you feel happy | 15:55 |
| Lennie-Melange | UML is not necessary | 15:55 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:55 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I will initially put up just the text containing models and properties | 15:55 |
| Lennie-Melange | as long as people an can easily see what is in the models and what type it has | 15:55 |
| madrazr | later while refining will create UMLs | 15:56 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 15:56 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay | 15:56 |
| Lennie-Melange | one more thing about deadline extension then | 15:56 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah? | 15:56 |
| Lennie-Melange | it can only happen when the student has submitted something | 15:56 |
| Lennie-Melange | so no pre-deadline extension without submission according to LH | 15:56 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: say if student has fixed some wiki changes? | 15:56 |
| madrazr | there is no submission as such right? should he be forced to provide at least an external link? | 15:57 |
| madrazr | s/he be/he must be/ | 15:57 |
| Lennie-Melange | click the "I are done" button | 15:57 |
| Lennie-Melange | or something like that | 15:57 |
| Lennie-Melange | depending on if we have file upload | 15:57 |
| Lennie-Melange | they should have a way to say where they can see where their work is | 15:58 |
| Lennie-Melange | so probably the student should have a comment box | 15:58 |
| Lennie-Melange | where they can enter text | 15:58 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah Ok, we have planned to provide a text box too right? like we had in GSoC proposal which said, "Additional info" | 15:59 |
| Lennie-Melange | and a button to say they are done | 15:59 |
| Lennie-Melange | for? | 15:59 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: for linking to external work | 15:59 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: submission is either through file upload(if allowed) or external link | 15:59 |
| madrazr | ? | 15:59 |
| Lennie-Melange | yes | 15:59 |
| Lennie-Melange | the external link would be awesome | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | but shouldn't be required | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | since it might not always be possible | 16:00 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah that would be an optional text box | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | but that seperation is nice | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | you can do some stuff with that | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | maybe add it in task model | 16:00 |
| Lennie-Melange | so you can easily show the link to the submitted work | 16:00 |
| madrazr | Ok | 16:01 |
| Lennie-Melange | which would make it easier for mentors to find what they are looking for | 16:02 |
| madrazr | yeah Ok | 16:02 |
| Lennie-Melange | so there should be an easy way for a student to say I'm done | 16:03 |
| madrazr | ok | 16:03 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: one question, related to Model design though | 16:04 |
| Lennie-Melange | k | 16:04 |
| Lennie-Melange | bring it | 16:04 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: how do we keep Task History we planned for the other day? | 16:04 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: we need to define a separate model to keep history where each entity stores one state? | 16:05 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah we defineatly need a new model for it | 16:06 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: Ok | 16:06 |
| Lennie-Melange | hmm | 16:07 |
| Lennie-Melange | important stuff is | 16:07 |
| Lennie-Melange | how many reopned | 16:07 |
| Lennie-Melange | how long it took to complete it | 16:07 |
| Lennie-Melange | who worked on it | 16:08 |
| madrazr | ok | 16:08 |
| Lennie-Melange | it would require some additonal thinking | 16:09 |
| Lennie-Melange | something like a model that can records what happened to a task | 16:09 |
| Lennie-Melange | something like timestamp and what happeed | 16:09 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah Ok | 16:10 |
| Lennie-Melange | probably 1:1 link to a task | 16:10 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: I was thinking of Task 1:N TaskHistory | 16:11 |
| Lennie-Melange | or not | 16:11 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah | 16:11 |
| madrazr | Ok | 16:11 |
| Lennie-Melange | and then taskhistory has an action string property | 16:11 |
| Lennie-Melange | which is probably a choice filled with the stuff that can happen? | 16:11 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: you mean the stuff that happened? | 16:12 |
| Lennie-Melange | yeah | 16:12 |
| Lennie-Melange | but it needs to e machinereadbale so we can mine it :) | 16:12 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: better is to store the Snapshot of that Task itself at certain point in time | 16:13 |
| madrazr | with additional fields like time stamp? | 16:13 |
| Lennie-Melange | can you write that down in the wiki how you wantto make it work | 16:13 |
| madrazr | yeah sure | 16:13 |
| Lennie-Melange | because I'm not sure a snapshot would serve the purpose | 16:14 |
| Lennie-Melange | let's close this meeting if there are no further questions :D? | 16:14 |
| madrazr | to make it more ambitious store only the changesets like Revision Control Systems and cry Sverre for help when something goes wrong :D | 16:14 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: no more | 16:14 |
| Lennie-Melange | You will edit the wiki within 3 days? So we can continue talking about the UI? | 16:14 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah Ok | 16:14 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: wait | 16:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | ok | 16:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | I'll post a summar | 16:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | within 2 days | 16:15 |
| madrazr | make it 4 days actually, I will not have access to computer itself on the whole of Thursday, I will be editing from tomo morning itself | 16:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | please save your temp edits | 16:15 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: yeah sure | 16:15 |
| Lennie-Melange | it shouldn't take you too long ^_^ | 16:16 |
| madrazr | he he :) but writing tests are pending too :P | 16:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | nice nice | 16:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | makes sverre hapy | 16:16 |
| madrazr | so trying to strike a balance :P | 16:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | ^_ ^ | 16:16 |
| Lennie-Melange | okay so we're done? | 16:17 |
| madrazr | yeah | 16:17 |
| Lennie-Melange | if you have any further questions just contact me okay :D | 16:17 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: sure :) | 16:17 |
| Lennie-Melange | cya on the wiki | 16:17 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: ROFL :D | 16:18 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: bye | 16:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | bb | 16:18 |
| Lennie-Melange | sorry for the delay :P | 16:18 |
| madrazr | Lennie-Melange: no problem at all | 16:18 |
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| * madrazr says good bye to LH too, have a great vacation :) | 16:18 | |
| madrazr | but doesn't say good bye to SRabbelier yet ;-) | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: you evil man! :( | 16:19 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: Leslie says yay | 16:19 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: he he I have to bug you a bit still :P | 16:22 |
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| SRabbelier | madrazr: oh dear? | 16:39 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: what'd I break this time? | 16:39 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: heh nothing | 16:40 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: I was preparing some questions related to tests | 16:40 |
| madrazr | going thru the organization logic code yet | 16:40 |
| SRabbelier | madrazr: ok, cool, ask away then! we want tests! :D | 16:40 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: yeah of course, I want some time to go through the logic code yet :) | 16:41 |
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| jamtoday | Having some trouble with deployment. Is there a page on the wiki about getting our own instance up on production? | 16:53 |
| madrazr | SRabbelier: see you tomo, bye | 17:07 |
| madrazr | feeling sleepy :( | 17:07 |
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| SRabbelier | jamtoday: hmmm, do you have your own appspot.com instance? | 17:54 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: if so, it should be as easy as (cd scripts && ./build.sh) && thirdparty/google_appengine/appcfg.py build | 17:54 |
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| jamtoday | SRabbelier: Thanks! It worked | 18:50 |
| jamtoday | I used the only app name I have left - gaepride.appspot.com | 18:53 |
| jamtoday | I'll change it to something less controversial when I can figure out a way to get another subdomain | 18:54 |
| jamtoday | it looks like I'll need to use the remote API to get this setup? | 18:58 |
| durin42 | SRabbelier: ping? | 19:22 |
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