Wednesday, 2009-03-18

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lh*ahem*13:36
lhfolks, please give a big old round of applause to the melange team13:36
lhfor the first time in the history of gsoc, we are announcing accepted organizations *early*13:36
lhthree cheers!!!!!13:36
lhorg admins, check your email in about 20 mins13:37
Lennieother channel?13:37
Lennie:)13:37
lhwell shit.13:37
lhexuse me13:37
scorche|shoh wow13:38
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solydzajsthis process needs improvements13:40
solydzajs:-)13:40
solydzajsping13:40
lhit's ok13:41
lh12/14813:41
lhmine goes more slowly than yours13:41
lhbut that's cool13:41
scorche|sh148 accepted orgs?13:41
ajaksu12 accepted orgs? :)13:41
lhguys knock it off. this is business.13:42
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lhsolydzajs: 15/14813:42
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Lenniesolydzajs, we'll make it faster some day :D13:42
solydzajslh: 80/24413:42
lhwe accepted 150 orgs. we put through two early to test.13:42
Lennieit will be faster for students :)13:42
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Lennietalking about that13:42
LennieMerio13:43
Lenniewassup :D13:43
solydzajs122/24413:45
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MerioLennie .. hi :)13:47
Lennieoo13:47
LennieI see your patch13:47
Lennienice13:47
Lennienice13:47
solydzajs142/24413:47
MerioFound now not being in time ;)13:47
Lenniedoesnt matter13:47
Lenniesystem works :D13:47
MerioThis is great anyway :)13:47
Lennieduplicates?13:47
MerioI was starting to work on it but Sverre asked me to do this patch, and I've done it as speedy as possible :)13:48
Lenniek13:48
Lennieyou think you might be able to complete it tonight?13:48
MerioI was working on the cache stuff however13:48
Lenniek13:48
Lenniecool13:48
LennieI want to test it tonight :D13:48
Lennieif that's possible13:48
solydzajs160/24413:49
MerioIf it's not a problem having it inside the show_duplicates.html instead of a separate js file I can give it to you earlier13:49
MerioOtherwise I'll let you know anyway :)13:50
solydzajs177/24413:50
Lennieseperate file please :D13:50
Lennieexcept ofcourse the two variables that load during runtime13:50
Lennievia the context13:50
Lennieor atleast somehow :D13:51
solydzajs190/24413:51
Lennielh: status :D?13:51
lh35/14813:51
MerioOk Lennie ^__^13:51
solydzajsI wonder why it is so slow for you :-) hmmm what browser ?13:52
MerioI see in the bulk acceptance that most time (at least in my box) is lost while reloading the page, is the reply of each call a redirect or something?13:52
LennieI'm seeing no 505's or quota stuff13:52
LennieI'm going to have dinner13:52
solydzajs214/24413:52
kblinok, so what's there to help with testing the student application process?13:53
durin42solydzajs: you running some kind of js-based bulk thingy?13:54
solydzajskblin: we will post info on the group about new testing phase hopefully today or tomorrow, basically student proposals, scoring/rating, public/private comments, subscriptions for public and private comments on student proposals etc :-)13:54
solydzajsdurin42: yes bulk accept and reject with progress bar in js13:54
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durin42nice13:55
durin42that sucks so much less than the old process13:55
solydzajslh: 244/244 done13:55
Lenniehmm13:55
Lennielh seems done as well13:55
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solydzajsyep13:55
solydzajsLennie: any errors ?13:55
lhlh is done13:56
Lennienope13:56
lhno wait13:56
Lennieno errors13:56
lhit keeps saying done13:56
lhand 125/14813:56
Lenniejust refresh the page :P13:56
lhstill incrementing but says done13:56
solydzajslh: what browser do you have ?13:56
* lh refreshes13:56
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lhFF 2.0.0.1913:56
lhtat13:56
lhthat's likely it13:56
lhyep we're done13:56
Lennielh, you should thank merio for the mailing stuff13:56
durin42I've seen weird problems in varied versions of firefox with js-based redirects13:56
solydzajslh: you need to install FF 3.0 :-) but we will fix it soon anyway13:57
Lenniefood13:57
ajaksulh: will the List of Organizations be updated soon?13:57
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solydzajslh: all rejection and acception emails has been sent, everything works so far13:57
solydzajslh: the process took 15 minutes13:57
solydzajsajaksu: yes, look at the timeline13:58
solydzajsajaksu: the list will be available soon13:58
ajaksuI meant [...]_public/goo/gsoc2009 , I bet it'll be hammered when people find it out :)13:59
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scorche|shwhen are backup mentors be able to do tasks?14:07
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solydzajsscorche|sh: when they create their org admin profile14:13
solydzajsscorche|sh: they should get a notification about it14:13
scorche|shbah...primary mentor is away...14:14
haoyusolydzajs, so how could backup org admin know the org's situation?14:16
haoyusolydzajs, given primary admin is away/asleep14:16
ajaksuwait?14:16
haoyusolydzajs, I guess only primary admin received accept nofity?14:17
haoyusorry s/nofity/notify/14:17
scorche|shhaoyu: yes14:17
solydzajshaoyu: I need to check this out :-) Maybe we have some bug :D14:18
solydzajsNeed to double check, because maybe back up org admin will receive notification when org profile is created14:20
solydzajsone sec14:20
scorche|shi didnt14:21
scorche|sher...org profile hasnt been created yet...nevermind14:21
solydzajsscorche|sh: we will improve that for next time :-)14:21
scorche|shsolydzajs: i just would like to create the org profile, but since he primary admin is away... ;)14:22
solydzajsscorche|sh: yep I got your point :-) I will create an issue about that on our issue tracker, basically to allow backup admins create org profile if their org app has been accepted14:22
scorche|shok...but for now, i just need to wait until he wakes up?14:23
solydzajsscorche|sh: yep :/14:23
scorche|sh=/14:23
kblinhmm14:23
kblinshould a notification I acted upon vanish from my notification list?14:24
solydzajskblin: nope14:25
kblinok14:25
kblinI just got confused because I clicked the wrong link, and the webapp said "no application to act upon" :)14:26
solydzajskblin: it will show up in read list and you can delete it if you want14:26
kblinah14:26
kblinok, once I'm done with the paperwork14:26
solydzajsheh14:26
solydzajsApplicationError: 114:26
solydzajsTraceback (most recent call last):14:26
solydzajs  File "/base/data/home/apps/socghop/0-5-20090318g3.332161165885657372/soc/logic/mail_dispatcher.py", line 119, in sendMail14:26
solydzajs    message.send()14:26
solydzajs  File "/base/python_lib/versions/1/google/appengine/api/mail.py", line 478, in send14:26
solydzajs    raise e14:26
solydzajsApplicationError: ApplicationError: 114:26
solydzajswe killed App Engine :-)14:27
solydzajsApplicationError ? what's that ?;-)14:27
durin42Thta's not good14:28
durin42it sounds ominous14:28
solydzajsdurin42: really weird14:29
solydzajsdurin42: emails were sent, but we got a lot of those errors in GAE console14:29
durin42solydzajs: I'm talking to djc of mercurial and it seems he might not have gotten the email14:29
durin42solydzajs: so, uh, can we tell which orgs that happened on?14:30
lhi am so proud of you guys. :)14:31
solydzajshmm maybe app engine failed14:32
solydzajsdurin42: checking the logs now14:32
solydzajslh: we got some App Engine errors14:32
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Meriosolyzdajs: Can't recall but someone asked lh to refresh the page while doing the bulk acceptance when she was about 80% of progress IIRC... can it be related?14:33
solydzajsMerio: no14:34
solydzajsdurin42: /org_app/review/google/gsoc2009/hg?status=accepted&_=123739809833414:34
solydzajsdurin42: I got it in my error logs14:34
Meriosolydzajs: ok nm14:34
MatthewWilkesFTR, I've still got no confirmation email14:34
durin42solydzajs: because I told him to go look in the webapp for notifications14:35
MatthewWilkesI did get one for making an org admin once I started filling in the stuff online14:35
solydzajsdurin42: really weird, those ApplicationError14:35
durin42solydzajs: also, should I not use a Developer mode account for when I do mentoring?14:36
solydzajsdurin42: he should have notification ":   Your Organization Application for Name has been accepted. "14:36
durin42it feels like running as root14:36
solydzajsdurin42: better not14:36
durin42solydzajs: can we give a different gmail acct of mine access then so I can be a normal person with durin42?14:37
solydzajsdurin42: yep I think so14:37
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hpatworkA few minor comments: "lower ASCII" is an oxymoron ("pure ASCII" or "US-ASCII" would be more descriptive); "lower ASCII" is really easily confused as "lower case ASCII only"14:39
kbliner.. why do I need to enter my contact information every for every org I admin for?14:39
hpatworkSecond, the Organization form expects date in US-style MM/DD/YYYY format, but it doesn't *say* so14:39
kblinshouldn't my link_id be able to fetch that once?14:40
solydzajshpatwork: please create an issue about it on issue tracker14:40
hpatworkIt's somewhat inappropriate for something with an international audience14:40
kblinhpatwork: the calendar thing fills in the correct thing14:40
hpatworksolydzajs: where is the issue tracker14:40
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hpatworkkblin: Yes, but it took a lot of unnessary clicks14:40
hpatwork?14:40
solydzajskblin: not yet, right now you have to create profile for each org separately we didn't have time to do that14:40
ajaksuhpatwork: Report bugs link on top right14:40
kblinsolydzajs: oh well. as long as it's on the todo list14:41
kblin:)14:41
solydzajsit is :-)14:41
solydzajshpatwork: code.google.com/p/soc14:41
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kblinwhoops, can I withdraw an invite?14:52
kblinI invited one mentor for the wrong org14:52
solydzajskblin: nope you can't, create an issue , we will fix it14:57
durin42solydzajs: ok if I add my other gmail and demote durin42 to non-Developer?14:57
durin42(on socghop)14:57
solydzajsdurin42: yes14:58
kblinsolydzajs: sure14:58
kblinsolydzajs: #366, no hurry15:00
haoyuoh... a bug?15:01
durin42solydzajs: done, [email protected] is my dev acct, durin42 is now a mere mortal15:02
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Lennieappengine decided to bounce mails?15:07
Lenniethere were 768 sent mails today15:07
Lenniekblin15:10
Lennieinvite withdrawal should be in there15:10
kblinoh?15:10
durin42Ha @ perl foundation. link_id is dukeleto.15:10
Lennieyou see the org in your sidebar?15:10
Lenniehehe15:11
Lenniekblin, brb15:11
kblinLennie: oh, right15:11
Lennietry to figure it out via my comment on the issue15:11
* kblin was blind15:11
Lenniebrb15:11
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solydzajsdurin42: ping15:15
durin42solydzajs: pong?15:16
ajaksuhmm, some accepted orgs have linkids of the submitter...15:17
solydzajsdurin42: I'm going to go thru all error logs write down all the link ids of orgs that have been accepted with error, and check if there is notification for them, if not we will reaccept them15:17
solydzajsajaksu: somebody misunderstood what link id is for :-)15:17
Lennieoh15:18
Lenniegrmbl15:18
Lennieapp engine log ftl15:18
Lennieit didnt switch to newest version :D15:18
ajaksuyup, it's http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=331 :)15:18
tpb<http://ln-s.net/30Rv> (at code.google.com)15:18
kblinajaksu: well, that happened to me as well on the first try15:19
ajaksume too, my first doc had my name, shoud've called him junior :)15:21
durin42solydzajs: sounds good15:22
durin42solydzajs: sorry about the lag, our internet connection flaked out here15:22
solydzajsdurin42: no problem15:23
durin42took me a moment to realize it was here and not home that died, heh15:23
* ajaksu reloaded http://socghop.appspot.com/org/list_public/google/gsoc2009 about 50 times in the long hour :)15:31
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31ru> (at socghop.appspot.com)15:31
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solydzajsajaksu: don't use this url15:36
solydzajsajaksu: use http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc200915:36
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31s0> (at socghop.appspot.com)15:36
ajaksuyeah, now I'm using it, before it was public I was on the other :)15:37
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parren1Seems Firefox 3.1 Beta 3 fixes the intermittent GNOME freezes I had on socghop.15:46
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solydzajsdurin42: ping16:22
durin42solydzajs: pong16:23
solydzajsdurin42: there was notification for Mercurial16:23
solydzajsdurin42: and org admin already created an org profile16:23
durin42solydzajs: I know. I told him to go check the web UI.16:24
durin42solydzajs: I can check and see if he ever got the email.16:24
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solydzajsdurin42: yes please, check if he got an email16:24
solydzajsdurin42: he probably didn't since we had some many errors for emails16:24
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SRabbelierHeya16:43
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mmadiasolydzajs : just wanted to confirm, i've now received the accepted org email.17:26
Lennieyosh17:29
Lenniewe are sending out the bounced mails17:29
Lennieaccording to GSoC traditions17:29
* summatusmentis claps loudly17:29
Lenniemail must come late :)17:29
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summatusmentisawesome guys, smoothness all around, that I've seen17:30
Lennieatleast I'm guessing you were hinting at that mmadia?17:30
ajuonlineo.O17:30
ajuonline#melange rocks!17:30
SRabbelierhehe, thanks :)17:30
ajuonlinemelange accepted as an organisation?17:30
Lennieyes17:30
SRabbelierajuonline: check the list ;)17:30
mmadiayes.  it was reported in #gsoc earlier that the emails weren't being sent out properly.17:31
Lennieyeah17:31
Lennieundocumented app engine errors ftw :D17:31
Lennieanyhow17:31
ajuonlineSRabbelier: link to ideas page? on topic. no?17:31
SRabbelierLennie: that's totally for the fail17:31
summatusmentisSRabbelier: kick him (figuratively), he's read the list :)17:31
Lennieall the accept emails have been resent :)17:31
ajuonlinehrm, looks at the list :)17:31
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SRabbelierajuonline: the "list of accepted orgs" one ;)17:31
ajuonlinesummatusmentis: i just checked is "Sahana" was there and closed it. lol!17:31
summatusmentishaha17:31
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Lennieajuonline, the error you reported was a fail from Sahana afaik17:32
Lennieajuonline, they filled in the wrong link apparently17:32
ajuonlineour admin was out at work17:32
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: sorry, didn't know #gsoc was being used for feedback :)17:32
ajuonlineLennie: can you guys change it? the admin said, he needs more info since there are more required fields before he can make any edits17:33
ajuonlinesome of the info which he doesnt have right now17:33
Lenniek17:33
Lenniesolydzajs!17:33
Lenniemay I change it?17:33
solydzajs??17:33
SRabbelierWhat's going on? :P17:33
solydzajschange what ?17:33
Lenniethere is a faulty idea page link :)17:33
Lenniein one of the apps17:33
ajuonlinehttp://wiki.sahana.lk/doku.php?do=show&id=dev:sahana_gsoc09_ideas17:33
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31uN> (at wiki.sahana.lk)17:33
ajuonlineor http://wiki.sahana.lk/doku.php?do=show&id=dev:sahana_gsoc09_ideas17:34
SRabbelieroh, that one17:34
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31uN> (at wiki.sahana.lk)17:34
SRabbelierI saw the issue17:34
ajuonlineoops17:34
solydzajsthey can change ideas page right ?17:34
ajuonlineok i was gonna paste a tinyurl, apprently the bot did that already :)17:34
Lennieyeah but their admin cant log in now17:34
solydzajsLennie: ok change it17:34
Lenniek17:34
Lenniechanging17:34
solydzajsLennie: if there is request for it17:34
SRabbelierLennie: why can't the admin log in?17:34
ajuonlinehttp://tinyurl.com/djzdj817:34
ajuonlineSRabbelier: work17:34
tpbTitle: dev:sahana_gsoc09_ideas [Sahana WIKI] (at tinyurl.com)17:34
Lenniehe's acquiring the extra info apparently that is needed17:35
ajuonlineadmin @ work :P17:35
MatthewWilkesSRabbelier, solydzajs: :)  Congrats on being accepted, btw17:35
Lennieand that17:35
LennieMatthewWilkes, same to you :)17:35
ajuonlineMatthewWilkes: congrats :)17:35
solydzajs:-)17:35
SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: thanks :)17:35
solydzajshehe17:35
MatthewWilkesLennie: We've done this bit already ;)17:35
solydzajsMatthewWilkes: thx17:35
Lennieajuonline17:36
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Lenniecheck again17:36
ajuonlineLennie: :)17:37
Lennieyes?17:37
ajuonlinehere I say again #melange rocks!17:37
ajuonlineLennie: thank you, works well :)17:38
Lenniek17:38
Lennienp17:38
LennieNEXT!17:38
Lennie:)17:38
SRabbelierhehe :P17:38
ajuonlinethe ideas page seems extensive!17:38
SRabbelierwe should make a #Melange-queue and hier MatthewWilkes to man it :P17:38
SRabbelierajuonline: hehe, most of those idea's are not a summer full of work though17:39
MatthewWilkeslol17:39
ajuonlineSRabbelier: you mean, smaller or larger? ;)17:39
SRabbelierajuonline: both, I think17:39
SRabbelierajuonline: most idea's are too small for a summer17:39
SRabbelierajuonline: but I suspect some might be too ambiguous17:40
SRabbeliererr17:40
SRabbelierambitiuoius even17:40
ajuonlinelol17:40
ajuonlineok17:40
MatthewWilkesHmm, just got my acceptance email17:42
Lennieas said17:42
Lennieresend :)17:42
MatthewWilkes"Please take a moment *now* to log in to http://0-5-20090318g3-fix.latest.socghop.appspot.com and review your "17:42
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31u_> (at 0-5-20090318g3-fix.latest.socghop.appspot.com)17:42
Lennieyeah brilliant aint it :)17:42
MatthewWilkesweird ass url17:42
Lennieblame app engine :D17:42
SRabbelierlol17:43
SRabbelierfor the fail, lennard17:43
Lennieworking as intended17:44
Lenniethats all I can say :017:44
SRabbelierlol17:44
Lennieit uses the proper URL where the invites are being sent from :D17:45
MatthewWilkesPlone does that too.  I've accidentally sent emails out talking about http://127.0.0.1:8080/login_form before17:46
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SRabbelierMatthewWilkes: heheh, lol :)17:52
Lennieso17:53
Lennierejection mails should be out too :P17:53
SRabbelierLennie: so did all acceptance mails get sent out properly?17:54
Lennieyes17:55
Lennielets see if someone can disproof my theory :D17:56
SRabbelierLennie: what's your theory?17:57
LennieSRabbelier, atleast we stuck with GSoC tradition17:57
Lenniemails should be late :D17:57
LennieSpam protection triggered :)17:58
SRabbelierhehe, true :P17:58
solydzajswow :-)17:58
solydzajsanyway17:58
solydzajsat least emails are sent17:58
solydzajsI'm going to delete this fixed version now17:58
ajuonlinei guess, I should have use GAE to deploy the election campaign site for India that we are working on atm :P17:59
ajuonlinemails get marked as spam :/17:59
Lenniesolydzajs wait :)17:59
solydzajs:-)18:01
solydzajsok I will wait cause the link won't be accessible :-)18:01
Lenniethanks18:02
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mordanteSRabbelier, thanks for your fast response to issue 369 :-)18:21
SRabbeliermordante: I haven't fixed it yet though :P18:21
mordanteI know, but I've had enough trackers where it took weeks before getting a reply (if I got one at all ;-) )18:22
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SRabbeliermordante: we try to avoid that at least, although we've sinned a time or two18:23
malexWhy can't I set style for a div in the melange document?18:23
malexbackground-color shows in the editor, but when I hit apply changes it reverts to blank. Same for the font size.18:25
mordantewell most bad experiences are with commercial software another good reason to use open source software ;-)18:26
SRabbeliermalex: those are disabled18:28
SRabbeliermalex: by feedparser18:28
SRabbeliermalex: as they can be used to execute malicious scripts18:28
SRabbeliermordante: that's because people in companies are not as motivated as OSS people (most of the time anyway) :)18:30
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malexSRabbelier: It's going to confuse a lot of people to have font size and background color buttons in the editor that melange presents (tinymce I guess) and not have them work at all.18:31
mordanteI know ;-) but I always have to laugh when people complain about OSS that there's no support18:31
mordanteIMO the support for OSS is much better as commercial software18:31
SRabbeliermalex: could you file a http://tinyurl.com/new-issue on that, we can remove those buttons18:31
tpbTitle: Google Accounts (at tinyurl.com)18:31
SRabbeliermordante: that's so totally true18:31
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malexSRabbelier: done18:34
SRabbeliermalex: thanks18:35
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James--CrookSRabbelier: and solydzajs: I'm looking at http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/melange for our GSoC/M participation, and thinking there's a vital question that is missing.  We should ask students 'How much time do you expect to have for this project?'.  In Audacity last year in the selection process we lost quite a lot of time discussing proposals with two very able students who were not planning on 'treating GSoC as a job'.18:42
tpb<http://ln-s.net/31vM> (at socghop.appspot.com)18:42
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solydzajsJames--Crook: sure send me an email about and I will fix it18:43
James--Crookwill do.18:43
SRabbelierJames--Crook: good one18:43
solydzajsSRabbelier: what is lennie's link id ?18:44
SRabbelierljvderijk18:44
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pygihi folks18:45
solydzajsSRabbelier: hmmm it doesn't autocomplete it18:45
solydzajsHi pygi18:45
solydzajsSRabbelier: "  This user does not exist. "18:46
solydzajsSRabbelier: I just got "Server Error18:46
solydzajsA server error has occurred."18:46
SRabbeliersolydzajs: Lennie?18:46
solydzajson App Engine console18:47
solydzajs:-)18:47
solydzajsSRabbelier: he doesn't have an account on socghop :-)18:47
SRabbeliersolydzajs: ok :)18:48
solydzajsSRabbelier: did you get an invite for mentor role ?18:48
SRabbeliersolydzajs: I invited myself after getting admin invite18:48
solydzajsSRabbelier: ah ok :-) I send you mentor invite :-)18:48
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kblinI'm happy to repeat that here, btw.19:06
kblinGood job, folks19:06
kblinI'm really, really impressed how fast you made this work19:06
kblinit's already less painful than the old webapp19:06
kblinif just for the fact that somebody actually reads the bug reports this time19:07
MatthewWilkes:)19:07
SRabbelierkblin: thanks man, awesome :)19:13
SRabbelierkblin: hehe, we're motivated :)19:13
SRabbelierand passionate ;)19:13
kblinyeah, and that really shows19:13
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SRabbeliersolydzajs: why'd you invite me as mentor for nuigroup? :P19:15
SRabbelierkblin: thanks! :D19:15
solydzajsSRabbelier: oh crap my mistake19:15
solydzajsSRabbelier: will withdraw that19:15
SRabbeliersolydzajs: hehe19:15
solydzajsSRabbelier: fixed19:16
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zoundsSRabbelier: as you wish19:22
SRabbelierzounds: thanks, #gsoc tends to scroll fast :)19:23
SRabbelierzounds: hard to keep up at times19:23
zoundsyeah, I've noticed. I just didn't bother talking or fully reading back when lh was answering questions this evening19:24
* SRabbelier nods19:25
SRabbelierzounds: so the trick is19:25
SRabbelierzounds: we have on-click set to redirect to the public page19:25
SRabbelierzounds: and apparently firefox and safari generate that event, even when "opening in a new tab"19:25
zoundsah, so the web-site is opening it in the existing tab and firefox is opening it in the new one?19:26
SRabbelierother way around I think19:28
SRabbelierbut, yeah19:28
zoundssounds like there's no quick-fix at my end then, yeah?19:30
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SRabbelierzounds: unless you know how to acchieve what we do currently in a way that'll work for you, afraid not :(19:31
zoundsthanks for explaining it anyway19:33
SRabbelierzounds: no problem, if you do happen to trip over a JS expert that has a better suggestion, let us know :P19:36
SRabbelierzounds: (also ping the code.google.com guys, I think they use the same trick)19:36
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arun_hi, i have a question about melange functionality. will students be able to submit a given application more than once? or is it a one shot deal?20:12
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brlcadthe list of all accepted orgs really needs to default to more than 50 per page or there could easily be a bias of applications for orgs on the first page20:19
Corsixso GHOP stuff isn't implemented in melange yet?20:19
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brlcadthe items per page doesn't really stand out well on the page to indicate that there are more20:20
brlcad(mind you, I'm not complaining .. my orgs are both on the first page)20:21
solydzajsarun_: you can submit up to 20 applications and modify each of it based on mentors comments if the timeline allows20:30
solydzajsbrlcad: can you create an issue about it on issue tracker ? we can default it to 20020:31
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arun_solydzajs, thanks! just to verify, can a student submit multiple proposals to a single organization? for example, they have two ideas for project X.20:33
solydzajsarun_: yes20:34
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arun_solydzajs, thanks a lot.20:36
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ojwba lot of fields say "lower ASCII characters only" which is a bit unclear - does that mean "not top bit set" or "lower case letters only"?22:21

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