Monday, 2008-10-27

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*** lh changes topic to "Want to make Summer of Code and the Highly Open Participation Contest better? Melange is the next generation GSoC and GHOP web app - Code and more at http://code.google.com/p/soc/ - Want to contribute? Start here: http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/GettingStarted - Logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23melange - No Office Hours This Week"03:10
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durin42tlarsen: I think I finally nailed down the hgsubversion bugs. I'm verifying now, although I just got a 502 from googlecode.13:38
tlarsenOK, I'm commenting on your resume.13:38
tlarsenThere is *lots* to comment on.  :(13:38
durin42tlarsen: I figured :/13:39
durin42tlarsen: I'm heading home for lunch now, but I'll look at your comments this evening13:39
durin42The formatting is a disaster? and I'm expressing things poorly?13:39
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tlarsenYes.13:50
tlarsendurin42: I sent my *first* set of comments.  You will probably need to address most of them before I can help you further.13:50
durin42tlarsen: alrighty, thanks. I'll revise and respond tonight.13:50
durin42tlarsen: cool, I'll do this as soon as I get home tonight13:51
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SRabbeliertlarsen: how's going?14:36
tlarsenSRabbelier: I feel awful.14:36
tlarsenSRabbelier: I had forgotten how bad my allergies were in the Bay Area when the air quality was bad.14:36
schultmctlarsen: you should've seen the air when I flew into LAX last night - it was way worse than the bay area :)14:42
SRabbeliertlarsen: ouch, that14:45
SRabbelier's not so good14:45
durin42tlarsen: there wwas a lot of haze over the bay last night when I was flying out14:47
tlarsendurin42: That might have been onshore flow (fog).14:48
durin42could be14:48
tlarsendurin42: That being said, whenever a high pressure system parks itself over the Bay Area (which is what caused the warmer-than-usual temperatures this weekend), the air quality gets a lot worse.14:49
durin42tlarsen: I noticed I was having problems with my contacts14:49
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lhSRabbelier: melange meeting at 2:30 pm can you make it15:08
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SRabbelierlh: I'd need some form of transport15:11
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SRabbelierlh: I'm at CL515:11
lhSRabbelier: will pick you up at 215:11
SRabbelierlh: awesome15:12
SRabbelierlh: we're being served food here15:12
SRabbelierlh: will you drop me back off afterwards?15:12
lhSRabbelier: yes of course15:13
SRabbelierlh: awesome, cos there's some really interesting talks at 16:30 and after15:13
durin42Right, you two are talking PDT.15:14
durin42I was having trouble figuring out how LH was going to pick you up 10 minutes ago.15:14
durin42(Then again, maybe she has a time machine and that's how she seems to be so good at multitasking?)15:14
lhSRabbelier: np15:14
SRabbelierlh: awesome!15:15
durin42SRabbelier: enjoying the gittogether?15:15
SRabbelierdurin42: yes, it is cool :)15:16
SRabbelierdurin42: it's likie the mentor summit, only less chaotic15:16
SRabbeliersolydzajs: good morning15:21
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solydzajsSRabbelier: hi :-)15:22
solydzajstlarsen: I will delete those previous triangle gif files from repo.15:25
SRabbeliersolydzajs: how did you sleep?15:25
SRabbelierlh: and you? I hope I didn't wake you up15:25
tlarsensolydzajs: No need.15:25
solydzajstlarsen: ok.15:25
lhSRabbelier: it's ok, i dont actually need sleep15:26
tlarsensolydzajs: They can just stay, in case we want to use them for something else.  Though, I like the smaller blue ones that the source browser uses better. :)15:26
solydzajsSRabbelier: good :-) my floor bad was awesome man :-)15:26
solydzajstlarsen: yep those blue ones are nice :-)15:26
lhSRabbelier: do you want to stay with the spearces' tonight or with me.15:26
* lh thinks we should all go hang out at casa de spearce actually15:27
durin42lh: would you tell spearce I enjoyed talking to him about VCS stuff? It made the morning setup very interesting15:28
lhdurin42: shall do15:29
SRabbelierlh: yes15:29
SRabbelierlh: I'm cool with all hanging out at spearce15:29
SRabbelierlh: and space-wise it might be more optimal if I stay at the spearce residence :)15:29
solydzajsdurin42: yo, how was your flight ?15:29
durin42solydzajs: exhausting, didn't sleep well.15:30
durin42solydzajs: but once I got home, I slept _great_15:30
lhkk, we are down a scorche at this point15:30
durin42getting home at 3 AM means falling asleep fast15:30
solydzajsdurin42: you can always imagine my long flight home :-) it's like 15h :D15:30
durin42solydzajs: yeah, I'm glad it only took me 5ish hours15:31
scorchedown a scorche?15:34
lhyou went home honey15:35
scorchei did15:35
lhscorche: how was your flight?15:35
lhscorche: just means more room in suite de lh15:35
scorcheeh...fine...uneventful15:35
lhscorche: good15:36
SRabbeliersolydzajs: where are you flying from?15:38
solydzajsSRabbelier: SFO, 1:38 PM tomorrow.15:38
solydzajstlarsen: where are you flying from ? San Jose ?15:39
SRabbeliersolydzajs: to?15:39
solydzajsSRabbelier: Frankfurt15:39
solydzajsSRabbelier: and then Frankfurt-Wroclaw15:39
SRabbeliersolydzajs: aaah, how long a layover?15:39
solydzajsSRabbelier: 3-4 h I think15:39
SRabbeliersolydzajs: whoah15:40
solydzajsSRabbelier: where are you right now ?15:45
SRabbeliersolydzajs: a google building far far away15:45
SRabbeliersolydzajs: 3 miles or so15:45
solydzajsSRabbelier: oh ok :-)15:45
SRabbelierlh: the lunch was awesome15:49
SRabbelierlh: you are the bestest15:49
lhSRabbelier: yeah15:49
lhi mean yay15:49
SRabbelierlh: lol, nice :P15:49
durin42tlarsen: if you want to use hgsubversion, all the bugs I've been able to find against melange have been fixed15:51
SRabbelierdurin42: shouldn't it be hg2subversion or sumfin15:52
durin42SRabbelier: hg2svn would have been even better15:52
SRabbelierdurin42: right15:53
durin42but hgsubversion didn't have any collisions in googlespace15:53
SRabbelierhg2svn does?15:53
durin42yeah15:53
durin42sadly15:53
durin42and hgsvn is already taken too15:53
durin42and I'd have used hg-svn to go along with the git-svn convention, but google treats dashes as spaces for searching or something15:54
durin42*sigh*15:54
grimdurin42: not if you wrap it in quotes16:04
durin42grim: I suppose, but I like my projects to be globally-unique google strings so that it's easier for users to find help for problems and easier for me to get an idea of how much use it is seeing16:04
SRabbelierdurin42: hg_svn?16:05
grimdurin42: then just dominate the results16:05
durin42grim: heh, I probably would over time16:05
grimie, if you sure for my first and last name, you really get me, and not the 2 other gary kramlich's ;)16:05
durin42Hm, I think I figured out a way to get hg svn to be clonable16:07
durin42so I could (in theory) svnclone something, then post it and there would be one extra command to run after cloning the hg repo16:08
SRabbelierlh: ping16:21
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SRabbelierlh, tlarsen, durin42: ping?16:55
tlarsenSRabbelier: pong16:58
tlarsensolydzajs: I leave from SJC at 8:20 AM tomorrow (Tuesday), I believe.17:11
solydzajstlarsen: oh ok. yep I was wondering whether SJC or SFO :-) now I know:-)17:14
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grimwhat's the "story" type in the issue tracker?21:01
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MatthewWilkesgrim: A user story.  It's a high-level description of a feature set21:02
grimalrighty, what are we (really you guys at the moment) looking to have under the /docs urls?21:02
tlarsenhttp://www.extremeplanner.com/blog/2006/01/writing-good-user-stories.html21:06
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2Ocr> (at www.extremeplanner.com)21:06
grimtlarsen: that cleared things up a bit :)21:08
grimis this aimed at python 2.5 or 2.6?21:10
grimand 2 space indent right?21:10
tlarsenPython 2.521:10
tlarsen2-space indent (Google style)21:10
grimfound something easy to get me started ;)21:10
grimtlarsen: sorry i don't know the google python style (well yet :))21:11
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tlarsenhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/PythonStyleGuide is almost entirely based on the internal Python style guide at Google.21:12
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2Ocz> (at code.google.com)21:12
grimah, awesome21:12
tlarsenThere are a couple of minor changes.  We have tried to point out where it is different from Python PEPs.21:12
* grim bookmarks that page21:13
grimi'm sure i'll need it again :)21:13
grimpatches goto the issue tracker?21:14
MatthewWilkestlarsen: Ah!  I did wonder why indentation was non-PEP821:14
grimand i assume modelines are no good right?21:16
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tlarsengrim: patches go to the melange-soc-dev mailing list.21:24
tlarsenSee:21:24
tlarsenhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ContributionReviews#Casual_contributors21:24
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2Od4> (at code.google.com)21:24
grimcool, i'll need to subscribe to this, but i'm going to actually get this done first :)21:24
tlarsenhttp://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/ContributionReviews#Patch_emails21:25
tpb<http://ln-s.net/2Od5> (at code.google.com)21:25
grimcool21:26
MatthewWilkesI don't mean to be a bandwidth thief, especially after the bleeding edge only comment, but issue #69, views should have their page objects from soc.logic.site.map passed in as a default kwarg, is that for building features later or should it have a visible UI change?  I'm assuming the former but as I don't know django wanted to double check21:35
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grimis User.nick_name verified to be unique anywhere?21:42
grimor required to be unique...21:42
tlarsenMatthewWilkes: it is for building stuff like breadcrumbs, and to practice DRY (don't-repeat-yourself).21:44
tlarsenMatthewWilkes: The details in the Page object should be used, for example, as the window title, and such.21:44
tlarsenMatthewWilkes: I think I am going to refactor that directly into the View classes that Sverre checked into soc/views/models recently.  For those views, the Page object itself will just go away.21:45
tlarsengrim: What we really need is better help text for nick_name.21:45
grimtlarsen: and link_name (wth is that?) :)21:45
tlarsengrim: It is just supposed to be a human-readable "name".  It could even be your *real* name, but isn't required to be.21:45
tlarsengrim: And no, it doesn't have to be unique.21:46
tlarsengrim: link_name *does* have to be unique, and it has formatting rules, because it is used in URLs and the like.  Think of it as a machine-readable "nick name" that is used to make permalinks to your content, etc.21:46
grimok, the trivial thing i found to fix is to actually display a useful name in the create host (yes very trivial) and i was going to use nick_name or link_name, but it looks like i should be using the google account name21:46
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grimah so link literally means "used in links"21:47
grimwouldn't it be easier to just escape and so on for the link name?21:47
grimi'm just concerned that links will be busted when someone changes thier link_name, but if it was an escapped version of the nick_name you'd still have the same problems anyways21:49
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grimi assume that the testing polices is disregarded since no tests are actually in the public svn?22:11
MatthewWilkesgrim: There are tests there22:12
grimah, then the wiki is wrong ;) it says scripts/tests22:12
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MatthewWilkesNimbus:melange matthewwilkes$ python2.5 tests/run.py22:13
MatthewWilkes...........22:13
MatthewWilkes----------------------------------------------------------------------22:13
MatthewWilkesRan 11 tests in 0.120s22:13
grimalright, my bad, was missign python-nose ;)22:14
grimand since i didn't have a bin, i was looking for a script in trunk/22:14
MatthewWilkesright, bedtime22:14
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