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| kafka | Hello | 08:16 |
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| kafka | Need help with something | 08:16 |
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| GeofftheMedio | ? | 08:17 |
| Guest50450 | Is there a way to set up FreeOrion without using an actual install.exe? | 08:19 |
| GeofftheMedio | yes... nothing the windows installer does is required to run the game | 08:21 |
| GeofftheMedio | it just needs the .exe, dlls, and various other files all in the appropriate directories | 08:21 |
| Guest50450 | Dammit | 08:23 |
| Guest50450 | Anyone knows how to bypass administrator rights, then? | 08:24 |
| GeofftheMedio | uhm... I just said you didn't need to install it | 08:24 |
| Guest50450 | Sorry | 08:24 |
| Guest50450 | I'm terrible at this | 08:24 |
| GeofftheMedio | this? | 08:24 |
| Guest50450 | how do I unpack it then? | 08:24 |
| GeofftheMedio | That I'm not sure | 08:27 |
| GeofftheMedio | might not be possible to unpack the installers on sourceforge without running them | 08:28 |
| GeofftheMedio | (though the game doesn't need to be distributed with an installer) | 08:28 |
| Guest50450 | Aaaand how do I do that? | 08:28 |
| GeofftheMedio | as I just said, I don't know if it's possible with the installer on sourceforge | 08:28 |
| Guest50450 | I'm trying to install this on a computer without the required rights | 08:30 |
| GeofftheMedio | I figured | 08:31 |
| Guest50450 | I mean, is it possible to unrar a file? | 08:32 |
| Guest50450 | let me rephrase that | 08:32 |
| Guest50450 | unrar the installer: is it possible? | 08:32 |
| GeofftheMedio | my attempt to open the .exe with 7-zip was unsuccessful | 08:32 |
| GeofftheMedio | I don't know if there's another wayh | 08:32 |
| GeofftheMedio | way | 08:32 |
| Guest50450 | I'm looking for an unzipped version | 08:34 |
| Guest50450 | Fat Chance, I think, but might as well try | 08:34 |
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| Guest50450 | Hang on | 08:35 |
| Guest50450 | It might just work | 08:35 |
| GeofftheMedio | unzipped isn't going to happen | 08:35 |
| GeofftheMedio | you might get a version that is in just a .zip | 08:35 |
| GeofftheMedio | instead of an installer .exe | 08:35 |
| Guest50450 | Another question | 08:36 |
| Guest50450 | I tend to get some errors in the 0.41 version | 08:36 |
| Guest50450 | Specifically, when saving, loading or even clicking the options button | 08:36 |
| Guest50450 | It seems a bit odd, that some of the main needs for the game haven't been implemented yet | 08:37 |
| Guest50450 | At least, that's what I figure, since they all crash every time I try to do any one of those things | 08:37 |
| GeofftheMedio | if you've got some weird restrictions that prevent writing to the user directory, that might cause such problems | 08:37 |
| GeofftheMedio | saving, loading, and options normally work fine | 08:37 |
| Guest50450 | This is weird | 08:39 |
| Guest50450 | It works fine now | 08:39 |
| Guest50450 | But whenever I use it at home, it just closes FreeOrion up | 08:40 |
| GeofftheMedio | does the home computer have the restrictions on installing? | 08:40 |
| GeofftheMedio | if so, it might have other restrictions that cause problems for FreeOrion saving, loading, and options stuff | 08:41 |
| Guest50450 | Not really | 08:41 |
| GeofftheMedio | I don't know what "not really" means in this context | 08:42 |
| Guest50450 | No restrictions, not really | 08:42 |
| Guest50450 | Also | 08:42 |
| Guest50450 | Do you have any information on when the next build might show up? | 08:43 |
| GeofftheMedio | as in 0.4.2 or as in any new SVN test build? | 08:43 |
| Guest50450 | 0.4.2 | 08:43 |
| GeofftheMedio | then no | 08:44 |
| Guest50450 | Although the next build will do nicely | 08:44 |
| GeofftheMedio | about an hour | 08:44 |
| GeofftheMedio | plus however long it takes for sourceforge mirroring | 08:44 |
| GeofftheMedio | so maybe two or three hours | 08:44 |
| Guest50450 | What, it takes that fast? | 08:45 |
| Guest50450 | Also, I'm using the svn build for 0.4.1 | 08:46 |
| GeofftheMedio | I don't understand the question | 08:46 |
| Guest50450 | I have to say, the UI looks so much better now | 08:46 |
| Guest50450 | Although I can't see the starry back drop | 08:46 |
| GeofftheMedio | opinions vary on the UI | 08:46 |
| GeofftheMedio | there's an options setting for that | 08:47 |
| GeofftheMedio | if you're on a pc that can enter the options screen | 08:47 |
| Guest50450 | I am | 08:47 |
| Guest50450 | What can I do to set it on again? | 08:47 |
| GeofftheMedio | options screen, galaxy map tab, check galaxy map star fields rendering and galaxy map gas rendering | 08:48 |
| Guest50450 | Thanks! :D | 08:49 |
| Guest50450 | Also, I can't seem to change the objective of a colony from production to research | 08:50 |
| Guest50450 | I open up the tab and I can't select the option :/ | 08:50 |
| GeofftheMedio | what species is it? | 08:50 |
| GeofftheMedio | do you mean the option isn't there, or it's there but clicking does nothing? | 08:51 |
| Guest50450 | Playing Humans | 08:51 |
| Guest50450 | Four options available | 08:51 |
| Guest50450 | Clicking any of them doesn't work | 08:51 |
| GeofftheMedio | weird. never heard of that before, no idea what could be wrong. | 08:52 |
| Guest50450 | It's the SVN build 5272 | 08:52 |
| Guest50450 | It's odd, because I'm trying to get my first colony to research something | 08:53 |
| Guest50450 | Is this like master of orion, where I have to wait for the populational increase? | 08:53 |
| GeofftheMedio | don't know what you mean by that... | 08:54 |
| Guest50450 | Haven't you ever played Master of Orion? | 08:54 |
| Guest50450 | Any of the games that inspired this one? | 08:54 |
| GeofftheMedio | your question is vague. be more specific. there is some waiting for population growth in FreeOrion, but I don't know what you're asking about | 08:55 |
| Guest50450 | I want to increase the research on a colony | 08:55 |
| Guest50450 | Do I have to wait for the colony to grow | 08:56 |
| GeofftheMedio | ok... | 08:56 |
| Guest50450 | Or can I change it right off the bat? | 08:56 |
| Guest50450 | :I | 08:56 |
| GeofftheMedio | focus changes should work at any time, as long as the focus is available. if it's available, it should appear in the droplist. | 08:56 |
| Guest50450 | Good Grief | 08:56 |
| Guest50450 | Nevermind | 08:56 |
| GeofftheMedio | if the droplist isn't working for you, I have no idea why | 08:57 |
| Guest50450 | Turns out I was clicking the wrong symbol | 08:57 |
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| Kafkahead | Got a problem with the svn build of FO | 18:37 |
| GeofftheMedio | you built yourself, or downloaded? | 18:37 |
| Kafkahead | downloaded | 18:37 |
| Kafkahead | It's the 5272 | 18:37 |
| GeofftheMedio | elaborate? | 18:38 |
| Kafkahead | I've installed it in my PC | 18:38 |
| Kafkahead | And it now starts up, shows me the command line, then the main screen browser | 18:38 |
| Kafkahead | Then, all of a sudden, tells me that FreeOrion.exe has found an error and is being shut down. | 18:38 |
| GeofftheMedio | how long between seeing the startup screen and the crash? | 18:39 |
| GeofftheMedio | and do you hear any music before the crash? | 18:39 |
| Kafkahead | I don't see the menu, mind you | 18:39 |
| Kafkahead | Just a black-startup screen | 18:39 |
| Kafkahead | And about 7 seconds | 18:39 |
| GeofftheMedio | can you locate ogre.log in the directory discussed on this page: http://freeorion.org/index.php/Config.xml | 18:40 |
| tpb | Title: Config.xml - FreeOrionWiki (at freeorion.org) | 18:40 |
| Kafkahead | I check application data, there's no ogre file | 18:41 |
| Kafkahead | Only an empty log.txt file and and an empty save folder | 18:41 |
| GeofftheMedio | log.txt ? | 18:41 |
| GeofftheMedio | that's not something freeorion creates | 18:41 |
| Kafkahead | Correction | 18:42 |
| Kafkahead | Not a log text | 18:42 |
| Kafkahead | freeorion.log | 18:42 |
| GeofftheMedio | how old is the computer, and is it a desktop, laptop, or netbook (or similar) ? | 18:43 |
| Kafkahead | Desktop, about 4 years old | 18:43 |
| Kafkahead | I had the latest stable non-test build installed | 18:44 |
| Kafkahead | Worked fine, except for the save, load and options buttons, which instantly crashed to desktop | 18:44 |
| GeofftheMedio | probably the same problem then, preventing it from writing log files | 18:44 |
| GeofftheMedio | I don't know what the issue is with your computer, but it seems to not be able to run freeorion properly | 18:45 |
| GeofftheMedio | I have no idea what is wrong | 18:45 |
| GeofftheMedio | maybe try updating video drivers? | 18:45 |
| GeofftheMedio | or just in case, run cmd.exe | 18:45 |
| GeofftheMedio | and change to the directory where freeorion is installed | 18:45 |
| GeofftheMedio | and run "freeorion" from the command line | 18:46 |
| GeofftheMedio | maybe something will be output on the console | 18:46 |
| GeofftheMedio | that you can't see when running from a start menu shortcut | 18:46 |
| Kafkahead | What should I write to change to C:\Programas\Freeorion? (I'm Portuguese) | 18:47 |
| Kafkahead | never mind | 18:48 |
| Kafkahead | Managed to do it | 18:48 |
| Kafkahead | Nothing showed up on the console | 18:48 |
| GeofftheMedio | what do you mean by "nothing" ? | 18:48 |
| GeofftheMedio | you typed freeorion and then what? | 18:49 |
| Kafkahead | Started up the start-up screen, error message came up | 18:49 |
| Kafkahead | As before | 18:49 |
| Kafkahead | Looked at command line, nothing on it | 18:49 |
| GeofftheMedio | well, I have no idea then, other than suggesting updating video drivers. | 18:50 |
| Kafkahead | You are the most dissapointing developer I've ever met. :I | 18:50 |
| GeofftheMedio | alas | 18:51 |
| GeofftheMedio | not much I can do if it just crashes and doesn't have any error messages or log files | 18:51 |
| Kafkahead | well | 18:51 |
| Kafkahead | Can I try and send you the error report? | 18:51 |
| GeofftheMedio | what "error report" ? | 18:51 |
| Kafkahead | Whenever the game gives me the shutdown message, it gives me the option of reading the error report | 18:52 |
| GeofftheMedio | what does the "shutdown message" say, and what is the format of this error report? | 18:52 |
| Kafkahead | Typical windows XP shutdown message, gives me just offsets and other thingamabobs I don't understand | 18:54 |
| GeofftheMedio | what .NET framework version do you have installed? | 18:54 |
| GeofftheMedio | "offsets and other thingamabobs" probably won't be of any use to me | 18:55 |
| Kafkahead | I think it's 4.0 | 18:55 |
| Kafkahead | Re-installed the game's stable build | 18:56 |
| Kafkahead | Just so I can have the ogre.log | 18:56 |
| GeofftheMedio | between 0.4.1 and the test builds, various dependencies were updated | 18:56 |
| GeofftheMedio | maybe the new ogre has some issue on XP? | 18:57 |
| Kafkahead | Same issues with save, load and options though | 18:57 |
| GeofftheMedio | some similar sounding problems have been posted on the forums | 19:00 |
| GeofftheMedio | you might try the program in this post | 19:00 |
| GeofftheMedio | http://www.freeorion.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54028#p54028 | 19:00 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/$wHv> (at www.freeorion.org) | 19:00 |
| GeofftheMedio | if you could test that and report the results, it might be helpful | 19:00 |
| Kafkahead | Ran the exe, saw an El Barto sign over a rainbow floor, surrounded by several pillars... | 19:02 |
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| Kafkahead | What do I do now? Look for the 2001 Monolith? | 19:03 |
| GeofftheMedio | well, that's helpful in that it indicates the problem's not with ogre itself | 19:03 |
| GeofftheMedio | but it doesn't help solve your crashes | 19:03 |
| GeofftheMedio | you could try older versions | 19:04 |
| GeofftheMedio | maybe one will work | 19:04 |
| Kafkahead | No offense, I love FO, think it has a lot of potential, but even as an alpha, it's a goddamn buggy mess | 19:04 |
| Kafkahead | I mean, over 30 species to play as? | 19:05 |
| GeofftheMedio | 30 species is a bug? | 19:05 |
| Kafkahead | I like variety, but this is stretching it a bit, don't you think? | 19:05 |
| Kafkahead | No, no | 19:05 |
| Kafkahead | Also, a planet surface screen, is it hard to code? Just asking. | 19:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | only 12 are starting playable species, and 1 of those is testing | 19:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | no planet surface screen is a design choice | 19:06 |
| Kafkahead | Alright. Sorry about the species thing. Reading the pedia gave off the impression that it was a lot of padding content when it came to species. :\ | 19:07 |
| GeofftheMedio | you can't start it on a 8 or so year old OS... that's a weird compatibility issue that I can't do much about, not really a "buggy mess" | 19:08 |
| GeofftheMedio | it works fine for most people on newer computers | 19:08 |
| Kafkahead | I tried it on a Windows 7 | 19:08 |
| Kafkahead | Same errors | 19:08 |
| GeofftheMedio | then there's something weird about how you've got your computers set up | 19:08 |
| GeofftheMedio | maybe the portugese language setting? have you tried with windows running in english | 19:09 |
| GeofftheMedio | with no non-latin characters in your user name? | 19:09 |
| Kafkahead | I don't run in it Portuguese | 19:09 |
| Kafkahead | It's in English | 19:09 |
| GeofftheMedio | I dunno then... It works fine for me and most other people | 19:09 |
| Kafkahead | Oh, come on, I can't be the only person getting this sort of error. | 19:10 |
| GeofftheMedio | a few others have vaguely similar issues, such as in the linked forum thread | 19:10 |
| GeofftheMedio | but most people at least get to the start screen and have log files generated | 19:11 |
| Kafkahead | Game's working now | 19:11 |
| GeofftheMedio | and "most" means most, not all | 19:11 |
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| Kafkahead | Just can't save, load or change options. | 19:11 |
| GeofftheMedio | any log files? | 19:11 |
| Kafkahead | Hang on | 19:11 |
| Kafkahead | Which do you want, ogre.log or any other? | 19:12 |
| GeofftheMedio | all of them | 19:12 |
| GeofftheMedio | also keep in mind the FreeOrion is a volunteer project you're getting for free | 19:12 |
| Kafkahead | Of course | 19:12 |
| GeofftheMedio | we don't have a huge bank of test machines to cover all possible configurations | 19:12 |
| GeofftheMedio | or paid developers to hunt down every weird compatibility issue | 19:13 |
| Kafkahead | I'm not complaining about that, I get it that it'll be an odd one | 19:13 |
| GeofftheMedio | and even commercial games have weird issues on various configurations | 19:13 |
| GeofftheMedio | and there's really not much I can do if it just randomly doesn't like any of your computers for some reason... | 19:14 |
| Kafkahead | Got the log files | 19:15 |
| Kafkahead | Where do I post them? | 19:15 |
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| GeofftheMedio | forums if you can, or pastebin or similar if you prefer | 19:16 |
| GeofftheMedio | check the timestamps though; are these from running the build that starts but doesn't let you use options? | 19:16 |
| GeofftheMedio | also, it might be helpful if you have logs from during an options crash... ie. start it up, click options, crash, get logs immediately | 19:16 |
| GeofftheMedio | as well as logs from when you start up a game a play a turn (preferably with a small galaxy) | 19:17 |
| Kafkahead | Hang On | 19:22 |
| Kafkahead | Brb later | 19:22 |
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