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| Kintanon | Is freeorion still in development? | 12:18 |
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| GeoffTheMedio2 | yep | 12:18 |
| Kintanon | Any chance the tech development tree will ever be simplified slightly down to something a bit more manageable like the MOO2 tree? I found that the overall complexity of the tech management made the game less "fun" than it could have been... | 12:19 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | The tech tree needs a lot of editing... probably merging some categories and removing some techs. It also needs a lot more techs added for game features that aren't implemented yet | 12:21 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | whether that will make it "simplified slightly" or not, I'm not sure | 12:21 |
| Kintanon | The merging would probably do it... | 12:21 |
| Kintanon | I found it on the difficult side to track what paths were required in order to reach certain goals on the tree. | 12:22 |
| Kintanon | I'm about to try out the latest version again... | 12:22 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | that's partly a UI issue. It should be possible to highlight all prerequisite and postrequisites for a tech by clicking it | 12:22 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | currently only the selected tech and its prereqs and postreq lines (not techs) are highlighted | 12:23 |
| Kintanon | Ahh. | 12:23 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | but don't worry about figuring out all the prerqes... if you want a tech, just enqueue it, and all its prereqs should be enqueued automatically as well | 12:23 |
| Kintanon | What version did that start in? | 12:24 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | not sure.. quite a while ago, though | 12:24 |
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| Kintanon | Hmm. I might be more versions back than I thought. Lemme see how snazzy the latest one is. | 12:24 |
| Kintanon | I admit I'm biased due to my intense love of MOO2... Best 4x game ever made... | 12:25 |
| Kintanon | Phew, I'd forgotten how GIGANTIC the tech tree is in this thing... Makes it hard to decide what path to pursue... | 12:32 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | use the filters. category, type, availability... | 12:33 |
| Kintanon | Hmm. crashed. | 12:34 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it happens. if it's reproducible, a bug report would be appreciated | 12:34 |
| Kintanon | Hmm. I think it's local to my system. game crashes on startup now... | 12:34 |
| Kintanon | lemme try it on my laptop instead. | 12:35 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | what does it say when it crashes? | 12:35 |
| Kintanon | error in module: unknown | 12:35 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | if you run it from the console, (command prompt) is there anything output? | 12:35 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | also, could you check the log files? freeorion.log in a location that depends on your OS | 12:36 |
| Kintanon | any way to run windowed mode from the console? | 12:36 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | just "freeorion" should work, I think | 12:36 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | "freeorion -f" would launch in full screen | 12:37 |
| Kintanon | no command prompt output... | 12:37 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | strange | 12:37 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | is there anything left running in task manager? | 12:37 |
| Kintanon | Almost certain it's because my desktop has funky crap on it... | 12:37 |
| Kintanon | no freeorion related tasks still in task manager. | 12:38 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | very strange... | 12:38 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | maybe delete config.xml ? | 12:38 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | http://freeorion.org/index.php/Config.xml | 12:38 |
| Kintanon | nothin in the log to indicate any problem. | 12:38 |
| tpb | Title: Config.xml - FreeOrionWiki (at freeorion.org) | 12:38 |
| Kintanon | there is no config.xml in that directory... | 12:40 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | hmm. then you never changed any options | 12:41 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | what is on your system that could be causing this? | 12:42 |
| Kintanon | Trend AV, or our remote management software are the two most likely culprits... | 12:43 |
| Kintanon | Or my 3 monitor setup/video card. | 12:43 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | I suppose I should ask if there's an ogre.log and anything in it? | 12:44 |
| Kintanon | Not if it's supposed to be in the same directory as the freeorion.log. | 12:44 |
| Kintanon | I'll be running it on my laptop in a second here.... | 12:45 |
| Kintanon | Works great on my laptop. | 12:46 |
| Kintanon | I'm putting my money on it being a video card issue on my desktop then. | 12:46 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | hmm. well... good? ... | 12:46 |
| Kintanon | Since my laptop also has Trend and our remote management stuff on it. | 12:46 |
| Kintanon | Not an uncommon situation for this desktop.... | 12:46 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | what I don't get is how it started up fine for a few minutes, and THEN decided to stop working | 12:46 |
| Kintanon | That's ALSO not an uncommon situation for this desktop. | 12:47 |
| Kintanon | The surprise is that the entire system didn't crash due to it. | 12:47 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | ok... | 12:47 |
| Kintanon | Seriously, I assure you that your most excellent software was not at fault here. | 12:48 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | somewhat reassuring. It's not exactly crash-proof, though. Particularly if you have certain video cards. | 12:49 |
| Kintanon | Well, the desktop has both an Intel 82865G and an Radeon 7000 in it. A LOT of OpenGL stuff doesn't seem to like that combination running 3 monitors I've noticed. | 12:50 |
| Kintanon | Ahh, now THERE is a handy button on the tech tree, Unresearchable... | 12:55 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | one of the aforementioned filters | 12:55 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it's not much of a "tree" showing only the researchable techs, though | 12:56 |
| Kintanon | I like that view better, less of an omniscient feel to the tech tree. | 12:56 |
| Kintanon | With the full tree I feel like I know too much.>:) | 12:56 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | there's probably also a list view button on the filter, depending what version you have | 12:56 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it's not very well laid out though | 12:56 |
| Kintanon | yes, there is a list view button, I looked at it briefly. | 12:57 |
| Kintanon | I think the production screen is the least intuitive screen... the first time I played it took me like 15 minutes to figure out how to build anything. | 12:58 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it has some issues, yes. having to select a build location complicates things. sometimes autoselect doesn't work, which makes it quite confusing | 12:58 |
| Kintanon | Understanding the relationship between your different resources and what you can/should build is a little confusing too. | 12:59 |
| Kintanon | Are there supposed to be mouseover tips on the different resources in the planetary summary at the top? I thought there were before.... | 12:59 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | there are mouseovers on the sidepanel, not on the top panel | 13:00 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | the top is empire-wide, not "planetary" | 13:00 |
| Kintanon | Oh, they are just taking a longass time to come up. I meant at the very top of the side panel where the planet name is. | 13:00 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | in the options, you can reduce the tooltip pop-up time | 13:00 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it defaults to 1 second | 13:00 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | top of the sidepanel is the system name, not planet. planet names are attached to the individual planet panels | 13:01 |
| Kintanon | Oh, that is the system name, yeah. | 13:01 |
| Kintanon | Latest version seems much nicer than the one I had before though. | 13:01 |
| Kintanon | What's the combat like in this one? | 13:02 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | we generally try to improve it | 13:02 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | combat is the same as it has been for a long time. there's a 3D tech demo if you run "freeorion --tech-demo" (I think) though it's quite preliminary | 13:02 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it's not very intuitive though... you'll probably want to read the relevant forum post to know what's going on | 13:03 |
| Kintanon | Ugh, I hate 3d combat.... | 13:03 |
| Kintanon | I want overhead, 2d, turn based if possible.>:) | 13:04 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | it's going to be constrained to a 2D plane | 13:04 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | but shown in 3D | 13:04 |
| Kintanon | So just prettied up. | 13:04 |
| Kintanon | Can't complain about that. | 13:04 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | pretty much, no pun intended | 13:04 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | and it'll be sort of turn based... we call it "pseudo-turn based". short real-time segments, or "turns" with (optional) order-giving pauses between | 13:05 |
| Kintanon | I like that compromise. | 13:05 |
| Kintanon | LOL, "In future this tech might do something related to starlanes, or ship speed or range" hehe. | 13:07 |
| Kintanon | Do all of the techs still cost 1 RP to research? | 13:12 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | yes. for testing purposes. I actually just commited a change to that today, though. | 13:12 |
| GeoffTheMedio2 | since people always assume it's a bug. | 13:13 |
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| __nurF__ | hey someone here? | 16:14 |
| __nurF__ | I just downloaded 3.12 for win, and it crashes on startup | 16:15 |
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