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| acathla | gatecat, what makes you think that about fpga vendors? They seem to spend a lot of money on their *#!?$* software, that's just to sell hardware? | 09:47 |
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| tnt | acathla: I know at least when I was working for a company doing ip cores, Xilinx was just giving us licenses for free ... | 10:03 |
| acathla | That's a strange strategy... | 10:07 |
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| Sarayan | acathla: without a toolchain they couldn't sell the hardware in the first place | 10:43 |
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| Sarayan | they couldn't test their hardware either | 10:53 |
| Sarayan | and we don't really have the gcc/llvm of fpgas yet | 10:53 |
| Sarayan | (not sure if we'll ever have it) | 10:53 |
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| acathla | I understand the need for a toolchain, but why is it so expensive? You can't use it with vivado with a Lattice FPGA. | 13:21 |
| tnt | acathla: it appears expensive to you because you're not the target market :) | 13:30 |
| tnt | I mean, if you take an engineer costing 100k$ a year to his employer, 5k more for the license he'll use everyday isn't too bad. | 13:32 |
| tnt | the license is also only needed for the build so you can often do away with a single floating one for a whole team since they're not going to do builds all day. | 13:34 |
| tnt | (at least where I worked, most stuff was done by sim, only going to hw as the very last steps) | 13:34 |
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| Sarayan | you don't need to license for ip instanciation and sim too? | 13:36 |
| tnt | You'll only need the license when doing the actual build of the IP, not when configuring it. | 13:36 |
| tnt | For sim, good question ... I must admit we were using modelsim which is licensed independently. | 13:37 |
| tnt | I mean, you can use the webpack license for sim AFAIK and I don't think the 'enterprise' version has any advantage, but ... to be checked, I'm not 100% on that one. | 13:38 |
| acathla | I'm clearly not the target market =) | 13:45 |
| tnt | The free version does support quite a few devices though. | 13:46 |
| tnt | The ones it doesn't are quite high end and "hobbyist" pretty much only get them second-hand I think. | 13:46 |
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