Thursday, 2015-10-15

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G33KatWorkwhich lm32 toolchain do you use?00:32
mithroG33KatWork: The one in upstream gcc/binutils00:33
G33KatWorkin default ubuntu repos?00:36
G33KatWorki can't find it in 14.0400:36
G33KatWorkthat's why i'm asking00:36
mithroG33KatWork: You are not using the bootstrap scripts?00:36
G33KatWorki do00:36
mithroG33KatWork: They get you a precompiled lm32 gcc/binutils using conda00:38
G33KatWorkyeah, i just found the code in the scripts00:38
G33KatWorki'll dig around00:38
mithroG33KatWork: The version of gcc/binutils in ubuntu does support lm32 but they don't compile with that on00:38
mithroG33KatWork: build scripts for the conda packages are at
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mithroG33KatWork: I've been suggesting that misoc have a set of conda packages which include lm32, or1k, etc00:42
mithroG33KatWork: please do feel free to ask questions!00:43 was executed00:44 not00:44
mithroG33KatWork: ahh!00:44
G33KatWorkbut i didn't get an error message00:44
G33KatWorkmost likely it's because of my weird setup00:44
G33KatWorki like to use docker containers for bigger projects00:44
G33KatWorkso that i don't pollute my main system00:45
G33KatWorkand i'm using arch which isn't always an advantage when you need older versions of packages00:45
Bertlwhy the hell docker? :)00:45
G33KatWorkso i basically created a massive 23GB container with ise *cough*00:45
G33KatWorkBertl: why not? :D00:46
BertlI can understand LXC, but what advantage does docker give you?00:46
mithroBertl: the push/pull of images is pretty nice00:46
G33KatWorknever used lxc00:46
Bertlmost likely docker is using that anyway00:46
G33KatWorkcgroups, yes00:46
BertlI know docker became very popular, never figured why00:47
Bertlmithro: maybe the push/pull is a reason, yes00:48
G33KatWorki just jumped on the hypetrain and i like it00:48
mithroBertl: it was really weird why docker became very popular quickly00:48
BertlG33KatWork: fair enough :)00:48
G33KatWorkweird... i execute the bootstrap script again and this time it installs conda etc.00:50
G33KatWorklet's just assume PEBCAK for now00:50
mithroG33KatWork: I started work on having a docker container which just runs bootstrap.sh00:55
mithroG33KatWork: to test it works on a clean system00:55
G33KatWorkit's synthesizing things :>00:56
mithrobblr - lunch!00:58
G33KatWorki *so* need to play more with migen and misoc00:58
Bertlbon apettite!00:58
mithroBertl: I couldn't figure out why you would say "bon apettite" to G33KatWork's comment then realised that you where saying it to my lunch comment :P01:35
mithroCan everyone reweet ?01:36
tpbTitle: Tim mithro Ansell on Twitter: "4k video with FOSS DisplayPort core + the @numatolab Opsis! @crowd_supply @field_hamster http://t.c (at
xfxfmithro: neat!01:37
xfxfhow do we capture 4k video tho with usb2?01:37
mithroxfxf: we don't really01:37
xfxfso vhat's ze intended purpose of 4k support?01:37
mithroxfxf: But we might be able to put both the HDMI inputs side-by-side on the 4k output01:38
mithroxfxf: we can downscale the 4k input01:38
Bertlxfxf: for now, it might soon be possible with the AXIOM Beta :)01:45
Bertl(4k video input to the opsis that is)01:48
Bertlmithro: yeah, sorry, was a race condition01:49
mithroBertl: nah, it was entertaining :)01:49
BertlI usually drop the nick: prefix when immediately answering to somebody (to reduce cluttering), but under certain conditions that gives suboptimal results :)01:56
G33KatWorkhm, is it normal, that the router routes for an hour now?02:12
G33KatWorki guess my fpga projects are all way smaller than HDMI2USB02:13
mithroG33KatWork: it should take about 15-30 minutes02:22
mithroG33KatWork: because ISE is crap, occasionally it gets confused and gets stuck02:27
Bertlmaybe limit process time?02:28
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Bertlhmm, goes to nowhere03:40
Bertlah, no, goes to somewhere with no content :)03:40
mithroBertl: people haven't commented yet03:41
Bertlhow fast is the memory on the opsis? i.e. what sustained read/write throughput can be achieved?03:44
mithroBertl: _florent_ would know were we are at with that at the moment03:45
Bertl_florent_ is european time zone, yes?03:53
mithroBertl: yeah04:35
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mithrohey seaLne! Welcome back06:17
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seaLnemithro: hi, running in your HDMI2USB-misoc-firmware fork currently so i can build with your opsis-fixes08:20
seaLnemithro is opsis-fixes building for you? master in your fork doesn't complain08:40
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mithroseaLne: guess I should have tested after making that change for _Florent_08:41
seaLnealthough is that a complaint from upstream misoc?08:42
mithroseaLne: nope, it was just me being an idiot08:48
mithroseaLne: do a pull08:48
mithroBertl: you were talking about using mini-DisplayPort for cabling from the camera to the Opsis?08:49
Bertlyep, looks like the best option so far08:50
Bertlwas considering usb 3 for a brief moment, but the number of connections is too huge08:50
mithroBertl: what mini-DP connector would you use?09:12
mithroBertl: I'm pondering a TOFE-to-TOFE brdige09:13
Bertlthat is a really good question, I was looking for some last time09:13
Bertlthe cheapest available (not directly from china) is the farnell multicomp receptacle09:14
Bertlit looks reasonable and should not require plated slots09:14
Bertli.e. they can be round vias :)09:15
Bertldirectly from china there are more options, also designs which are lower or even at board level09:17
Bertlbut please let me know if you find something nice there :)09:17
mithroBertl: got a footprint for that?09:20
Bertlnot yet09:20
mithroBertl: you generally work in Eagle it seems?09:20
Bertlyes, it is an old habit ... and you know, old habits die hard :)09:21
Bertlmigration to kicad is on our todo list though09:22
mithroBertl: Do you generally do the footprints yourself, or you managed to get a minion to do that? :P09:22
BertlI tried, but till now, all minions ended up making more work than it would have been in the first place ... well what minions usually do :)09:23
Bertlfortunately since farnell has bought cadsoft, they are creating footprints and component libraries on a daily basis09:24
seaLnemithro: is the tofe kicad stuff available yet?09:25
mithroseaLne: Yes!09:25
mithroseaLne: I'm about to try and eat my own dogfood and create the HDMI4 board09:26
mithroseaLne: realized I need to add a "rename" script, so writing that now09:26
seaLnecool, where are they?09:27
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_florent_Bertl: for the memory throughput  on the opsis, we have probably something like 5Gbps09:34
_florent_16bits*50MHz*8(QuarterRate + DDR)=6.4Gbps09:34
_florent_so close to 5Gbps with 80% (estimated) efficiency09:35
Bertlthat is read or write or read and write together?09:39
mithroseaLne: just pushed the rename script09:39
mithro_florent_: Is the quarter rate the highest we can go? Or do you think there are more tricks you can play with the SERDES to get higher?09:43
Bertlthe main question for us is if we can buffer frames at 4k raw there09:44
seaLnemithro: i think it would be useful to have a half width version as that should fit within 100x100mm after which pcbs tend to get way more expensive to make from your generic chinese houses09:44
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mithroBertl: 4k at 30fps seems to be ~5Gbits09:46
mithroBertl: which means you could write to it or read from it - but not do both at the same time it seems?09:46
Bertlyes, it should be about 4.5Gbit/s actually09:47
Bertlbut of course, it would require read _and_ write09:47
mithroseaLne: by half width, do you mean half height, or half height + half width?09:47
Bertlbut I kind of already expected that the memory would be too slow for this ...09:48
seaLnehalf width + full height would still give you a decent area to work with09:48
mithroBertl: yeah - it's why on a V2 we need both the higher speed DDR the Artix-7 can do, plus the dual MCBs09:49
mithroseaLne: looking at it now09:49
seaLne~$50 v ~$135 for 10x 4 layer boards from elecrow09:54
Bertlwhat is the area of the boards?09:55
Bertl(bounding box)09:55
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Bertlis it intentional that the measurements are unreadable? :)09:56
seaLnethe view of the raw image is ok
seaLnewell semi ok :)09:57
Bertlwith two eyes closed, I see :)09:57
Bertland we have more than 106 in height09:57
Bertlthe fingers are outside09:57
seaLneah, yeah09:58
Bertlso roughly 11509:58
seaLneok well something between half and full height then09:58
mithroseaLne: Just added schematic components for 1x and 4x boards09:58
Bertlso rougly 100 USD per board on OSHpark09:59
Bertlyes, there should definitely be a smaller template as well10:00
mithroFair enough10:04
seaLnemithro: with opsis-fixes built and your openocd what do i do now?10:05
mithroseaLne: PROG=openocd make load-gateware10:05
mithroBertl / seaLne: The template actually only marks the "largest" area you can use - so you can make it as small as you need10:06
mithroBut yeah, having some smaller suggested versions is a good idea10:06
Bertlno problem with holes and such stuff?10:07
mithroDepends on how securely mounted you want your board to be10:08
mithroIf ya happy to have it supported by the PCB fingers, you can do pretty much anything :P10:08
BertlIMHO half height, min width (i.e. flush with the end of the connector) would be nice10:08
Bertlbut yes, of course, fingers should suffice :)10:09
mithroFor the mini-DisplayPort adapter, I suggest we have the board be just big enough so removing it from the socket is easy enough :)10:10
Bertlyes, that was my idea10:10
Bertlmy scratchpad says 63x24mm including fingers10:12
seaLnemithro: any ideas? which openocd confirms that it should be the one in /opt10:12
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Bertlmithro: which means 8 USD for one board at OSHpark :)10:13
_florent_Berl: numbers were for read and write together (thus the 80% efficiency)10:13
Bertlokay, thanks, case settled10:13
_florent_mithro: we can probably improve memory bandwidth to get something near 8Gbps10:13
mithroseaLne: that is quite weird10:14
_florent_to do read/write with 4K, you can probably use YCbCr 4:2:2 if that's acceptable10:15
mithroseaLne: what does "git status; git describe" show?10:15
mithro_florent_: Cheat and do 4:2:0 :P10:15
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mithroseaLne: hrm - I'm v0.0.0-414-ged4fea910:18
seaLnearrggghh i ended up building in master that time10:18
mithroseaLne: You don't appear to be on my opsis-fixes branch?10:18
seaLnei'll try make load-gateware again in about an hour10:20
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Bertlmithro: how about a trade, populated 1xHDMI and 3xPMOD Beta plugin modules against 3x miniDP Opsis - Beta link?10:59
Bertl(no cables, just boards)10:59
mithroBertl: I already have the PMOD Beta plugins on order from OHS park :)11:03
Bertlah, damn! :)11:03
Bertland if I ask nicely (pretty pretty please?) would you consider doing the Beta side of the 3x miniDP link together with the Opsis one? :)11:07
Bertl(so that I can order both via OSHpark from the gerbers)11:07
mithroBertl: I'm happy to do the schematic, but I'm not great at the PCB side11:08
mithroBertl: I generally get Numato to do that part :)11:09
Bertlhmm, I see ...11:09
mithroBertl: they would probably to the PCB side of this if we got them a schematic and board edge+layout11:09
mithroBertl: help them get more Opsis boards sold, good for them :-)11:10
mithroBertl: and I think this would work as an Opsis <-> Opsis link11:10
Bertlwell, we have 12LVDS channels which go nicely over 3 DP, leaves at least 6 I/Os (AUX) for medium speed11:11
Bertlyou need a lot more if you want to bridge TOFE, no?11:11
Bertlor are your plans to go with 3x DP as well?11:12
mithroBertl: I was thinking 4x mDP11:13
Bertlokay, so that would of course work fine for us as well11:14
Bertlwhen do you plan to have such a board ready (i.e. so that it can be ordered)?11:15
Bertl(unpopulated PCB I mean)11:15
Bertlalthough I wouldn't mind ordering a populated either11:16
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mithroBertl: the "long pole" would be getting a footprint done and confirmed for that part11:28
mithroI'm going to do some non-work like recreation before going to bed :)11:29
mithroBertl: actually, why mDP rather than normal size DP?11:29
Bertlbecause normal size DP is huge11:30
Bertlat least it won't fit on the Beta plugin module11:30
mithroBertl: Guess so, maybe I don't really understand how small your boards are :)11:30
Bertlwell, do you have a MicroZed nearby?11:31
mithroBertl: nope! Don't own one11:32
mithroNope, Zybo11:36
Bertlway too large :)11:37
Bertlbut you probably got a credit card, no?11:37
Bertlso the small side of the credit card is slightly smaller than the dual slot plugin module is wide11:37
Bertli.e. two PCIE-36 connectors almost side by side11:38
seaLnemithro: so make load-gateware seems to work fine but i'm not sure load-fx2 is working should i still have nothing in dmesg after the USB-JTAG-IF?11:53
mithroseaLne: you'll need to use HDMI2USB-mode-switch for the moment11:54
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mithroseaLne: you'll need to switch to serial mode, configure the firmware and then load the fx2 firmware11:55
seaLnemithro: what is required to configure the firmware, not sure what you are meaning by that step and is loading supposed to be like python --load-fx2-firmware ../HDMI2USB-misoc-firmware-mithro/firmware/fx2/hdmi2usb.hex ?12:05
mithroseaLne: ./opsis-mode-switch --mode=serial; make connect-lm32; play with settings; disconnect; make load-fx212:06
seaLnemithro: where is opsis-mode-switch?12:08
mithroseaLne: it's just a symlink to in the ./bin/ directory12:08
seaLneah ok12:08
mithrostill need to fix it so that the serial port works during jtag and hdmi2usb mode12:12
mithrothe mode-switch stuff should probably download the .bit firmware too12:13
seaLnechanged to ACM1 in Makefile.lm32 due to faffing. but i don't seem to get beyond [FLTERM] Starting...12:14
mithrodid you hit enter?12:15
seaLnethat would be it12:15
* seaLne feels silly failing miserably to disconnect from flterm12:21
seaLneC-c seemed a bit harsh12:23
seaLnemithro: so i have uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device HDMI2USB (1d50:60b7) in dmesg but no /dev/videoX should that be appearing after the load-fx2?12:31
seaLneooh got one now12:47
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seaLneso if i set encoder on and video_matrix connect pattern output0 i get pretty bars on my monitor but vlc won't play /dev/video0 and i can't seem to reconnect via serial13:17
CarlFKseaLne: video_matrix connect pattern encoder13:17
seaLnealso if i plug in the only laptop i have that has hdmi (dell xps m1530) i get dvisampler1: IDELAY busy timeout constantly on the serial13:18
seaLneCarlFK: ah so its a seperate sink, makes sense i guess. thanks13:18
seaLnevlc still isn't seeing anything :(13:23
CarlFKseaLne: did you do fxload... ?13:29
seaLnemake fx2-load ?13:30
CarlFKum.. maybe.  In the last few days i stopped using make to do everything13:32
seaLnethat just calls firmware/fx2/ firmware/fx2/hdmi2usb.hex13:33
seaLnewhich calls fxload13:34
CarlFKheh.. this won't work for you unless you get the patched fxload.. I have it in my ppa13:37
CarlFKfxload -B libusb -D vid=0x16c0,pid=0x06ad -t fx2lp -I hdmi2usb.hex13:37
CarlFKunpatched need a dev path that you figure out by looking at lsusb13:38
CarlFKlsusb | grep "16c0:06ad"13:38
CarlFKfxload -D /dev/bus/usb/002/008 -t fx2lp -I hdmi2usb.hex13:38
seaLneCarlFK: how do you get out of flterm? i'm wondering if C-c is causing problems13:41
CarlFKI use ^c, but yeah, something isn't good13:41
seaLnei should be able to connec by serial after the fxload shouldn't i? which suggests there is something wrong13:42
CarlFKI re-run it, get something like "no serial device" - try a few more times, try random things, something makes it work13:42
seaLnei get [FLTERM] Starting... but no amount of pressing return gets me in13:43
CarlFKhmm, I think I have seen that too13:43
seaLnei got in fine before fxload13:44
mithroseaLne: ignore CarlFK he has an Atlys not an Opsis13:44
seaLneand i still have pattern on output013:44
mithroseaLne: you have to use the modeswitch to get back into serial mode13:44
mithroseaLne: as I mentioned using the serial port and webcam at the same time doesn't work on the Opsis13:45
mithroseaLne: target for this weekend is to get that working again13:45
seaLnei tried changing mode but before but i got
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mithroseaLne: hrm, I don't think I've actually tested modeswitch with an Opsis and webcam mode13:46
seaLnemodeswitch doesn't seem to have a video mode option?13:47
mithroGot distracted by the 4k DisplayPort stuff last weekend13:49
mithroseaLne: actually come to think about it with the current fx2 firmware it won't be able to tell your board is an Opsis once the webcam is loaded13:51
seaLnedmesg was saying uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device HDMI2USB (1d50:60b7)13:51
mithroseaLne: did you turn on the encoder when you were in serial mode?13:52
seaLneencoder on; video_matrix connect pattern encoder13:53
mithroOkay, and no output on the video?13:53
seaLnewell vlc doesn't show anything13:54
mithroBe back tomorrow13:54
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G33KatWorkhm, i'm routing the third time now and it always takes hours and ends with missed timing constraints and unrouted signals15:51
_florent_G33KatWork: you are routing for atlys or opsis?15:59
G33KatWorki have access to an atlys as well, but i figured i'd try the opsis first16:00
_florent_it's the JPEG encoder that is causing this, if you want you can try a design without it by replacing "default_subtarget = HDMI2USBSoC" with "default_subtarget = VideomixerSoC"16:03
_florent_on my computer it does not take more that 15 min to build the design (both HDMI2USBSoC and VideomixerSoC)16:04
_florent_but it seems some versions of ISE are not able to build it...16:04
G33KatWorki'm using 14.7 here16:04
_florent_we'll have to do some optimizations16:04
_florent_here I have 14.616:05
G33KatWorkanyway, that's not that much of a dealbreaker for me as long as i got something to synthesize correctly. i just need something to get familiar with migen16:05
G33KatWorkthe readme said 14.7+, so i used that:
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_florent_yes if you want to try something, just use the VideomixerSoC, you won't have issues16:08
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CarlFK _florent_
CarlFKthat dotted line is coming from:17:20
CarlFKvideo_matrix connect input0 output017:21
CarlFKnothing was connected to input0.  which I hear doesn't work anyway.17:21
CarlFKbut.. I have seen that line before and wonder if it isn't a side effect of a bigger problem17:22
_florent_the dotted lines comes from a DDR issue I think17:22
CarlFKDDR issue... that doesn't sound like a desirable feature ;)17:23
CarlFKhmm, I guess I should have done output0 off17:23
_florent_not a desirable issue indeed!17:25
_florent_so this talk was recorded using hdmi2usb?17:25
CarlFKthat vid has 4 different presenters, each with their own random laptop17:32
CarlFK_florent_: tumbleweed and I did PyConZA a few weeks ago.  20 talks and 2 sets of 5 talk lighting talks, for a total of 30 random laptops17:50
CarlFKthere were 1-3 problems, but for sure one of them didn't work with the hdmi plugged directly into the projector17:52
CarlFKthe others we didn't have enough time to properly debug17:53
CarlFKone of them was my laptop that I used for driving the hdmi2usb - hp with full sized display port.17:54
CarlFKtumbleweed brought a dp - hdmi dongle, first time I had ever used it.  didn't work then, but works fine now. (thank you tumbleweed for giving me that)17:55
_florent_OK thanks for the feedback!18:02
CarlFKthere is still Jay's chromebook that has had problems in the past - I needed to do video_mode 9 to reset something.  maybe newer builds have fixed it, need to get with him to veirfy18:14
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xfxftalking about the above, _florent_ did you need any more info from us to debug the input0 not working issue?21:20
xfxfi haven't ever tried driving an output from the micro hdmi, haven't needed to, but can certainly that if you think it'll make a difference21:21
xfxfi'm keen to start recording using two sources + switching using the HDMI2USB console21:21
_florent_last time I tested, input0 was working21:22
_florent_I'm going to check my jumper configuration with what is in the README21:23
xfxfrad, that'd be great21:23
xfxfalso, i'm looking at what 'video_matrix help' says in terms of jumupers21:24
xfxfbut i did try alternative jumper configurations by alternating what it said, still didn't work21:24
_florent_ok JP221:25
_florent_are you jumper horizontal or vertical?21:26
xfxfi don't have the board near me now apologies21:26
xfxfif input0 works for you could you take a pic of yours?21:26
xfxfi can match the same jumper config on it21:26
xfxfactually i'm not going to have the board near me now for a few days21:27
xfxfCarlFK: can you help _florent_ with the above?21:27
CarlFKsure - and yes, a picture of what works wold be great21:28
CarlFKwell, that's different.   /me moves jumpers around21:41
CarlFKno help.  power cycled, reloaded, status: input0:  0x021:43
CarlFKinput0:  1280x72021:45
xfxfrad, thanks _florent_21:55
xfxfCarlFK: what's wrong with 0x0 video? it compresses well? :P21:56
CarlFKany clue where I should put that jpg?22:02
CarlFK  good enough22:11
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