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| Erant | SRabbelier: So you pretty effectively robbed me of my fun. | 06:12 |
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| Erant | Looks like the LinkID stuff is pretty much nailed shut now. | 06:12 |
| Erant | Good job ;) | 06:12 |
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| Erant | I will ofcourse still be taking my +10 Poking Stick of Prodding, and see if I can find more holes. | 06:13 |
| j-b | Hello... Just a quick shot to say "Thank you so much" for Melange... This is way easier to deal with proposals. | 06:13 |
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| James--Crook | Erant please check your application to 'demo 0' at http://melange-demo.appspot.com/student_proposal/review/google/gsoc2009/erant/t123788942964. | 07:29 |
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| Erant | "You do not have the required role" | 07:37 |
| Erant | Ah, nm. | 07:38 |
| Erant | That application was mainly to just poke at random crap. Sverre did a good job at patching the whole linkid escalation though | 07:38 |
| James--Crook | OK, so you can't read the comment to you there? (damn) | 07:39 |
| Erant | Oh, yes I can ;) | 07:39 |
| Erant | Reading the AccessControl wiki now. :P | 07:40 |
| James--Crook | Good good good. Fun? | 07:40 |
| Erant | Yeah, I'd like to learn a bit more about web-based security. My main focus up 'till now has been embedded security. | 07:42 |
| Erant | Completly different field, but there is some overlap. | 07:42 |
| James--Crook | A couple of days ago you were saying you felt there might not be enough in security testing to be a GSoC, but adding in the field level ACL, which is all about security would make it so - and you seem to have exactly the right kind of attitude to poking at code to find it's (security) flaws. | 07:42 |
| kblin | Erant: like "don't trust user input"? | 07:42 |
| James--Crook | kblin: like don't tust it twice :-) | 07:43 |
| Erant | kblin: Don't trust anything, indeed. | 07:43 |
| kblin | James--Crook: that's what Win98 used to do when you tried to format C: | 07:43 |
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| Erant | Embedded security has the added problem of your device being in the field. | 07:43 |
| James--Crook | not even yourself (impersonated) | 07:43 |
| kblin | James--Crook: "are you sure you want to do this?" "Really?" | 07:43 |
| Erant | James: I'll be reading up on this for sure. | 07:44 |
| James--Crook | Erant: who else are you thinking of applying to? | 07:44 |
| Erant | Rockbox | 07:44 |
| James--Crook | Rockbox rock. Really :-). | 07:45 |
| Erant | They want a USB host driver. | 07:45 |
| kblin | Erant: web security has the added implications of people not only attacking your site but also abusing your site to attack others | 07:45 |
| kblin | I'm not sure what I'd prefer :) | 07:45 |
| James--Crook | Erant: I'm with Audacity, and we've been tentatively looking at doing some collaboration with them, but nothing firm yet. | 07:45 |
| Erant | They each have their different problems ;) I'm really at home with IDA Pro and assembly, but the internet is an interesting place too :) | 07:46 |
| Erant | James: Sweet. | 07:46 |
| James--Crook | I've worked for a long time in the embedded field, mostly telcos, also oil/gas/electric, satellite O/S, image processing that kind of thing. It takes a lot of patience assembly/embedded, and is high risk (high reward) for a GSoC. Go for it! | 07:48 |
| James--Crook | Just be careful not to underestimate how long things will take. | 07:49 |
| James--Crook | There is high variability, high unknown usually. | 07:49 |
| Erant | Melange would also be very interesting though. I personally know two of the devs (which makes poking holes all the more enjoyable), so working on shit is easier. | 07:49 |
| Erant | James: Yeah, been there, done that. Especially if you have to reverse the platform you're building on ;) | 07:49 |
| James--Crook | Melange has the potential to become something outstanding, as revolutionary as wikipedia was, but for open source devs. | 07:50 |
| Erant | time for two applications, methinks. | 07:50 |
| James--Crook | So it is a MAJOR project, in terms of petential impact. At last GSoC mentor summit I said we need to be looking for two particular kinds of skillset that we needed more of... | 07:50 |
| James--Crook | security expertise, and javascript fluency (for the sparkle that attracts more people to work on it). | 07:51 |
| James--Crook | i.e two different people (probably) | 07:51 |
| James--Crook | yes, two applications, and get yours in early... | 07:52 |
| James--Crook | it gives more time to get feedback. | 07:52 |
| James--Crook | The hardest part is a snappy title :-) | 07:52 |
| Erant | :D | 07:53 |
| James--Crook | Erant, you based in Netherlands? | 07:53 |
| Erant | Yup. | 07:56 |
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| spectie | hey all | 08:57 |
| spectie | is it worth putting in a feature request for being able to edit/remove reviews? | 08:57 |
| James--Crook | yes | 08:57 |
| spectie | anyone know if there is one already? | 08:58 |
| * spectie looks | 08:58 | |
| spectie | submitted | 09:04 |
| James--Crook | thanks. | 09:06 |
| spectie | #420 | 09:06 |
| spectie | ;) | 09:06 |
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| SRabbelier | spectie: thanks :) | 10:55 |
| spectie | np | 10:56 |
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| James--Crook | Hi Mkop2. Here to talk about the need for TLC in the UI? | 13:36 |
| Mkop2 | can I suggest the confusing tooltip thingy about "lower ascii characters" be reworded? | 13:36 |
| James--Crook | Verbiage. Yes. It's already in the tracker. | 13:36 |
| James--Crook | next? | 13:36 |
| Mkop2 | the options that are relevant should be more than prominent than the things that aren't. For example, create new document should not be more prominent than Submit student application | 13:37 |
| James--Crook | Details of how you would suggest that should be please... Surely not bigger font size? | 13:37 |
| Mkop2 | agreed not bigger font size | 13:38 |
| James--Crook | Just earlier in list? | 13:38 |
| Mkop2 | maybe put Programs above User? | 13:39 |
| James--Crook | Don't think so. The sign in is too important. | 13:39 |
| James--Crook | I agree it could be improved, but I don't think there is a simple fix. | 13:40 |
| James--Crook | Probably there should be less stuff in the sidebar. | 13:40 |
| Mkop2 | yes, agreed | 13:40 |
| James--Crook | And there should be a user summary page that gives your status, e.g. news just in (such as accepted/rejected/please update this) | 13:40 |
| Mkop2 | the users guide should be split into multiple pages | 13:41 |
| James--Crook | and summary count, you have applied to OpenMRS and Melange.... | 13:41 |
| James--Crook | User guide should be on a wiki. | 13:41 |
| James--Crook | One page for quick getting started. | 13:41 |
| James--Crook | One for students. | 13:41 |
| James--Crook | One for admin. | 13:42 |
| Mkop2 | yes | 13:42 |
| James--Crook | Link to the common/shared information. | 13:42 |
| James--Crook | For background information one of the plans is to get a wiki (moinsmoin) into Melange. | 13:42 |
| James--Crook | (that one becasue it is in python already) | 13:42 |
| James--Crook | Anything really just plain outright confusing that needs to change? | 13:43 |
| Mkop2 | it just seems like it's such a complicated interface, but maybe it's necessary for the amount of backend functionality it has | 13:43 |
| James--Crook | No, I agree with your sentiment.... The fucntion that the user and orgs see IS relatively simple form filling. | 13:44 |
| James--Crook | So it ought to be presented relatively simply too. | 13:44 |
| James--Crook | Can you put your finger on what is complicated about it? That might help us change it. | 13:45 |
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| Mkop2 | can't really put my finger on it | 13:47 |
| James--Crook | (well you were having another discussion in #gsoc at the time :-) ) | 13:48 |
| Mkop2 | was I? not really.... | 13:48 |
| James--Crook | Mkop2: chx: they're probably planningon editing still | 13:49 |
| James--Crook | is what you said there | 13:49 |
| Mkop2 | lol, ok | 13:49 |
| Mkop2 | thanks for listening to my rant | 13:49 |
| chx | BTW if I press inelligeble where can i revert that? | 13:49 |
| chx | i asked in gsoc but i suspect this is a better place for ths | 13:50 |
| James--Crook | Not rant, I genuinely care about this stuff, and also know the background, but what I would like | 13:50 |
| James--Crook | is some more concrete suggestions of how to improve it. | 13:50 |
| James--Crook | So if you think of some more can you come back here to #melange with them and discuss? That would be good. | 13:51 |
| Mkop2 | if i think of more, I will do so | 13:51 |
| James--Crook | chx:I don't know the answer to that. It is perfectly possible that it is not yet possible. I'd suggest | 13:52 |
| James--Crook | either you or I file it as an issue and it will be fixed in the next update. (2 days? guessing) | 13:52 |
| James--Crook | chx: Do you want to file it at http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list or shall I? | 13:54 |
| tpb | Title: Issues - soc - Google Code (at code.google.com) | 13:54 |
| chx | James--Crook: filing already | 13:54 |
| James--Crook | cool :-) | 13:54 |
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| chx | James--Crook: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=426 | 13:55 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33M_> (at code.google.com) | 13:55 |
| James--Crook | thx. | 13:56 |
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| chx | oooooh it already got an owner | 14:06 |
| James--Crook | and a priority | 14:10 |
| James--Crook | :-) | 14:10 |
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| ArthurLiu | hi, | 16:59 |
| ArthurLiu | is there a way to retract a private review ? | 16:59 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: nope | 17:01 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: you can rescore it though :) | 17:01 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: (there's an issue for being able to edit your own reviews though) | 17:01 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: see http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=426 | 17:01 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33M_> (at code.google.com) | 17:01 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: err, wrong one | 17:01 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=420#c5 | 17:01 |
| ArthurLiu | am I just dreaming or the tick to make review private box changed into a tick to make public box ? | 17:01 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33RO> (at code.google.com) | 17:02 |
| Gof | I try to register as a mentor but it doesn't work. i go to http://socghop.appspot.com/user/create_profile then it says my account cannot be used and gives some possible reasons. Is there a way to know which reason, and how i could subscribe anyway? | 17:02 |
| tpb | Title: Sign In Required (at socghop.appspot.com) | 17:02 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: very well possible | 17:02 |
| ArthurLiu | :/ | 17:02 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: perhaps you already created your account? | 17:02 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: go to http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile | 17:02 |
| tpb | Title: Sign In Required (at socghop.appspot.com) | 17:02 |
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| ArthurLiu | well, we have a redundant private review, could have been the opposite, I gotta be careful | 17:02 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: i did | 17:02 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: what's that site say? | 17:03 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: true, you could say that on Issue 420 as a use case to Pawel | 17:03 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: http://pastebin.com/d344c6a31 | 17:03 |
| tpb | Title: Diff pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com) | 17:03 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: what link_id? | 17:04 |
| Erant | Is giving out your link_id a good idea... | 17:04 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: yes | 17:04 |
| Erant | k | 17:04 |
| Erant | </paranoia> | 17:04 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: you can't do anything with it :P | 17:04 |
| SRabbelier | Erant: unless of course, you knew how to hack it... :P | 17:05 |
| Erant | No comment. | 17:05 |
| Erant | :P | 17:05 |
| Erant | Nah, 's all looking good. | 17:05 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: ? | 17:06 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: gof | 17:06 |
| ArthurLiu | also, public comment+assign mentor should fail completely if the mentor is mistyped or not confirmed yet don't you think ? | 17:06 |
| ArthurLiu | right now, the review passes through but the mentor is not updated | 17:06 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: you can do both at the same time? | 17:07 |
| ArthurLiu | yes...? | 17:07 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: that's not quite intentional I suspect | 17:07 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: that is, a 'free sideffect' | 17:07 |
| ArthurLiu | err | 17:07 |
| ArthurLiu | I'll submit an issue to the tracker about that then | 17:08 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: you already have an account created, go to http://socghop.appspot.com/user/edit_profile to edit your profile | 17:08 |
| tpb | Title: Sign In Required (at socghop.appspot.com) | 17:08 |
| ArthurLiu | it says "leave this box empty if you don't want a mentor assigned" | 17:09 |
| ArthurLiu | what if there's already one ? | 17:09 |
| ArthurLiu | ah, ok, it's prefilled if there's one | 17:09 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: there is not much i can do. | 17:09 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: i can only select my public name (which i did) | 17:10 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: no way to register as a mentor | 17:10 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: or should i ask the admin of my project to do that? | 17:10 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: did you try http://socghop.appspot.com/org/apply_mentor/google/gsoc2009 ? | 17:10 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/2xQU> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 17:10 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: it's in the sidebar under GSoC 2009 | 17:10 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: this link used to redirect me to create_profile but now it works | 17:11 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: thanks for your help | 17:11 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: it does that the first time, before you've created your profile ;) | 17:12 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: i am prety sure it did it even after. | 17:12 |
| Gof | maybe because i had not refreshed the page? | 17:12 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: probably that ;) | 17:13 |
| Gof | SRabbelier: thank you anyway. | 17:13 |
| SRabbelier | Gof: np :) | 17:16 |
| ArthurLiu | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/detail?id=429 "Review+Assign Mentor should fail completely if mentor mistyped or not confirmed yet" sent | 17:16 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33Ri> (at code.google.com) | 17:16 |
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| jamtoday | regarding the Quiz Adapter idea on the wiki, I've found question and quiz models, but haven't seen any implementation. Are quizzes still at the mockup stage? | 17:20 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: yup | 17:23 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: thanks | 17:23 |
| ArthurLiu | well, at least we're useful guinea pigs for melange :) | 17:23 |
| SRabbelier | ArthurLiu: hehehe, nono, it's the other way around ;) | 17:25 |
| jamtoday | SRabbelier: thanks for the clarification. Who would be the best contact for discussing specs for the quiz system? | 17:25 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: mhhh, poke James--Crook about it when he gets back | 17:26 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: but the general idea with the Quizzes | 17:27 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: is to be able to make a form like the student proposals | 17:28 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: and not have to write any code for it | 17:28 |
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| jamtoday | James--Crook: I was asking a few minutes ago about the Quiz Adapter idea on the wiki | 18:15 |
| jamtoday | At first, I thought that this would be for assessment type usage, but looking at the Issue Tracker and asking here, it seems like this is more like the functionality in Google Forms | 18:16 |
| James--Crook | Yes, you have it right. | 18:18 |
| James--Crook | jamtoday: The mid term questionairres could be done by a Google forms like approach. | 18:20 |
| James--Crook | Have you done any archeology in the issue tracker? There are quite a few stories about 'quiz' and how it could work. | 18:21 |
| jamtoday | Yeah, looking at it now. Items like "Quiz Authoring interface needs to support specifying "solution" Answers" suggests more of an assessment functionality | 18:23 |
| James--Crook | OK. So tell me what makes sense to you at the moment and what does not. | 18:24 |
| jamtoday | Still a little unclear on exactly where this would fall in the spectrum between a google docs form and an assessment | 18:26 |
| jamtoday | For instance, would a timer for answering a question be appropriate? | 18:26 |
| James--Crook | Nope. No reason to have a timer, at least not for the kind of use we are planning. | 18:27 |
| James--Crook | What happened is that the name Questionairre was chosen, then later it was decided we were using it so much a shorter word like quiz would be better. But actually form is best. | 18:27 |
| jamtoday | yeah i was thinking the same thing. I've had the same problem with naming entity kinds early on | 18:29 |
| jamtoday | Anyways, there's a lot of good stuff on the issue tracker. Perhaps I can put together some rough specs for review after going over it more closely | 18:30 |
| James--Crook | One thing to think about is the way you represent quiz in the database. | 18:30 |
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| James--Crook | One of the stories is about (modulo choice of terminology) is about adding a field to an entity whilst the system is live. | 18:32 |
| James--Crook | Issue 100 is a good one to look at. | 18:34 |
| jamtoday | club == organization? | 18:35 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: yes, we used to have clubs, but that's been long-termed | 18:35 |
| James--Crook | Yes. We ended up with some starnge terminology because of doing both GSoC and GHoP. | 18:35 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: if you read club anywhere do s/club/organization/ | 18:36 |
| James--Crook | See http://code.google.com/p/soc/wiki/Terminology, and if some terms are not explained there, please add a comment so that we know and can update. | 18:36 |
| jamtoday | excellent. this link will be very useful. | 18:37 |
| jamtoday | And aside from a bit of concern about feature creep, it shouldn't be too hard to satisfy these user stories. I've been spending much of the last 6 months developing various quiz apps on GAE, which helps to some extent | 18:38 |
| James--Crook | That helps a lot! :-) | 18:39 |
| jamtoday | specifically, http://www.plopquiz.com | 18:39 |
| tpb | Title: PlopQuiz / Show What You Know (at www.plopquiz.com) | 18:39 |
| James--Crook | ..looking.. | 18:39 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: nice!! | 18:40 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: put that in your application ;) | 18:40 |
| SRabbelier | s/application/proposal | 18:40 |
| jamtoday | will do. I'll make sure to link to some open source work I've done as well | 18:41 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: perfect :) | 18:41 |
| James--Crook | jamtoday: if I have a plopquiz with 20 questions, how many records are used for my answers? | 18:43 |
| James--Crook | Is it one, or twenty? (or neither) | 18:43 |
| jamtoday | a new entity is created for each score on each item, so 20 | 18:43 |
| James--Crook | OK. Hence the need for an adapter. | 18:44 |
| James--Crook | In Melange our application forms etc are one item. | 18:44 |
| James--Crook | um record. | 18:44 |
| jamtoday | Should I come back here when i have a rough proposal or is there a better contact method? | 18:45 |
| James--Crook | Get your proposal in early, because | 18:46 |
| James--Crook | then the mentors can give you (more) feedback, and you have more time to revise it. | 18:46 |
| James--Crook | I'm not a mentor for melange, | 18:46 |
| James--Crook | so if you want to ask questions or brainstorm about future direction for melange, here on #melange is a good place. | 18:47 |
| jamtoday | Got it. The SOC site should be a good way to get some more experience with Melange, anyways. | 18:48 |
| James--Crook | that benefits everyone. | 18:48 |
| James--Crook | Yes, you certainly want to have a local copy of your own running. (wiki getting started page) | 18:48 |
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| James--Crook | jamtoday: you have found the melange mailing list haven't you? | 18:51 |
| jamtoday | yeah, i've had some traumatic experiences with subscribing to google groups mailing lists, but I'll put the feed in my reader | 18:51 |
| jamtoday | and ill post any questions there if i think they may be useful to other people | 18:52 |
| James--Crook | and if you see things that need improving on the getting started guide, or elsewhere in reading the wiki, we appreciate getting comments that help us improve it for everyone. | 18:53 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: please do :) | 18:54 |
| SRabbelier | jamtoday: feel free to ping us here on #melange if you have a question, or drop a mail to melange-soc-dev | 18:54 |
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| Erant | James--Crook: d'oh. So I only got your trick just now. | 19:13 |
| James--Crook | I didn't have the patience to adjust broders and so on in styles to get the extra yellow to go away. I'm not sure it is even possible to. I didn't get very far using small fonts to reduce the height either. | 19:18 |
| James--Crook | s/broders/borders/ | 19:19 |
| Erant | Well, you got me fooled regardless. | 19:21 |
| James--Crook | If the display page indented the comments relative to the dates, I'm fairly sure it would not be possible to 'impersonate' this way at all. | 19:21 |
| Erant | Site is pretty sealed up against XSS attacks btw | 19:21 |
| James--Crook | I don't think a student could actually do much damage with it. | 19:21 |
| James--Crook | That's good to know. I know Lennie and Sverre and Todd were very aware of that as an issue. | 19:22 |
| James--Crook | In some places the de-htmling seems a bit too severe, e.g. documents, but better safe than sorry. | 19:23 |
| Erant | So true. | 19:23 |
| James--Crook | g2g. Talk to you another day. | 19:24 |
| Erant | k, cu | 19:24 |
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| mansoorkhan | hi every one | 19:40 |
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| mansoorkhan | is there any one to whom I can ask about the GSoc Project "Statistics Module" | 19:43 |
| lh | mansoorkhan: most of the developers are in .eu - maybe try back later? | 19:45 |
| lh | or send email to the melange mailing list for feedbacl | 19:45 |
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| danderson | that sounds right. The people who can give you advice are on the CET timezone (ask google for "Time in Paris"). There is more activity on this channel during CET daytime | 19:46 |
| danderson | posting to the mailing list is a good way of ensuring that you will be seen. | 19:46 |
| mansoorkhan | many thanks | 19:47 |
| Erant | So I'm going to guess I shouldn't be able to modify the write or read access on a 'public' document. Nor delete it, if it's not mine. | 19:47 |
| danderson | yeah, that also sounds right :-) | 19:48 |
| danderson | assuming you don't have a developer, or other privileged account. | 19:49 |
| Erant | Mjeh... | 19:49 |
| Erant | Euh, wait | 19:50 |
| Erant | write_access is set to _user_. | 19:50 |
| Erant | Not public | 19:50 |
| Erant | Gah, yeah, it's not checked. | 19:50 |
| danderson | ah. So that would be a permission error? | 19:50 |
| Erant | Yep | 19:50 |
| Erant | That's another trip to the bugtracker ;) | 19:50 |
| danderson | is this on the production site? Maybe I can quickly fix it. If not, we'll have to wait for a real Melange dev :) | 19:51 |
| danderson | Erant: can you give me the link to the doc? (in private if you'd rather not paste it here) | 19:51 |
| Erant | I always work on the test server. | 19:51 |
| danderson | ok. | 19:51 |
| danderson | Then bugtracker :-) | 19:51 |
| danderson | thanks for testing! Testers win :) | 19:51 |
| Erant | I'm still thinking of applying as a security... euh... engineer (?) for Melange. | 19:52 |
| Erant | Had a decent chat with James about it. | 19:52 |
| summatusmentis | Erant: as a student? | 19:54 |
| Erant | summatusmentis: Yeah | 19:57 |
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| MatthewWilkes | It's people! We gotta stop them! - classic | 21:14 |
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| makku | hello | 22:20 |
| makku | anybody their | 22:20 |
| ajaksu | me, but I don't know much about gsoc or melange :) | 22:32 |
| ajaksu | I can try to help though :) | 22:32 |
| makku | yes thanks for your response ajaksu | 22:36 |
| ajaksu | np :) | 22:37 |
| makku | ok can you read this link on your browser http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/user/maheshpm/maheshpm | 22:38 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/33WM> (at socghop.appspot.com) | 22:38 |
| ajaksu | yes, it says "hai to every one" :) | 22:40 |
| makku | ok it works | 22:41 |
| makku | i had a problem with the registration | 22:41 |
| makku | so now it is cleared | 22:41 |
| ajaksu | makku: is that document yours? because the "Link ID" for a document or proposal doesn't have to be your user Link ID | 22:41 |
| makku | :D | 22:41 |
| ajaksu | cool, you're registered and it works :) | 22:42 |
| makku | yes but it works | 22:43 |
| makku | as a sub dir | 22:43 |
| makku | :p | 22:44 |
| makku | just for testing | 22:44 |
| makku | if it works | 22:44 |
| ajaksu | I did it too, ajaksu/ajaksu :) | 22:44 |
| ajaksu | (not available anymore) :) | 22:45 |
| makku | may be it automatically created by the system | 22:48 |
| makku | see you ajaksu | 22:52 |
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