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| Daishi[] | hi | 01:00 |
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| GeofftheMedio | low | 01:00 |
| Daishi[] | awesome game ^^ | 01:01 |
| GeofftheMedio | ... | 01:01 |
| Daishi[] | just wanted to say that :P | 01:01 |
| GeofftheMedio | ok | 01:01 |
| GeofftheMedio | noted | 01:01 |
| Daishi[] | cool | 01:01 |
| Daishi[] | How long are u guys developing? | 01:01 |
| GeofftheMedio | depends on your definition of u guys | 01:02 |
| Daishi[] | I meant the project freeorion | 01:02 |
| Daishi[] | sry for being a bit overexcited... I just got a nostalgic MoO2 flashback >.< | 01:03 |
| GeofftheMedio | I know. the ambiguity is in the "u guys" part. it's not been the same guys the whole time | 01:03 |
| Daishi[] | hmm what about since beginning and since the "actual" guys are working on it | 01:05 |
| Daishi[] | approx | 01:05 |
| GeofftheMedio | don't know what you mean by "actual", but SVN says commit 1 was 9 years, 8 months ago | 01:05 |
| Daishi[] | sorry meant "current" | 01:06 |
| Daishi[] | lost in translation | 01:06 |
| Daishi[] | ;) | 01:06 |
| GeofftheMedio | 0 days to 8 years-ish | 01:06 |
| Daishi[] | wow.. thats a while | 01:06 |
| Daishi[] | I hope one day we get 1.0 | 01:08 |
| Daishi[] | :D | 01:08 |
| GeofftheMedio | would be nice | 01:08 |
| Daishi[] | so in about 12 years? | 01:08 |
| Daishi[] | xD | 01:08 |
| GeofftheMedio | difficult to predict | 01:08 |
| Daishi[] | I know... and I guess you heard that question pretty often | 01:09 |
| GeofftheMedio | not really | 01:09 |
| Daishi[] | what is the limiting factor? ideas? programmers? | 01:10 |
| GeofftheMedio | programmers mainly | 01:10 |
| Daishi[] | for scripting mainly? | 01:10 |
| GeofftheMedio | C++ | 01:11 |
| Daishi[] | hmm... I have little experience with that | 01:11 |
| GeofftheMedio | http://freeorion.org/index.php/Programming_Work | 01:11 |
| tpb | Title: Programming Work - FreeOrionWiki (at freeorion.org) | 01:11 |
| Daishi[] | ok... | 01:12 |
| Daishi[] | I used to program in java | 01:13 |
| Daishi[] | so I guess I wont be a help with gui-ish things... | 01:13 |
| Daishi[] | but the syntax of algorithms is similar | 01:13 |
| Daishi[] | So I could rather provide thoughts on algorithms based solutions than actuall code-near programming ;) | 01:17 |
| GeofftheMedio | post on the forums if you want, but I doubt that will be much help | 01:18 |
| GeofftheMedio | problems are generally more technical than theoretical | 01:18 |
| Daishi[] | in terms of programming work, which just needs to be done? | 01:19 |
| GeofftheMedio | don't know what you mean by that... "which" ? | 01:19 |
| Daishi[] | that? | 01:21 |
| GeofftheMedio | lots of stuff... | 01:22 |
| Daishi[] | you said it is more technical... == means, you need people working on coding and do the work and not just solving it theoretically | 01:23 |
| GeofftheMedio | for example, the production, research, and design screens don't resize when the main window resizes | 01:26 |
| GeofftheMedio | there are various issues with meter change predictions not taking into account effects or not being accurate | 01:26 |
| GeofftheMedio | the design window has various problems relating to showing existing designs and modifying existing designs | 01:27 |
| GeofftheMedio | the encyclopedia indices are hard to navigate, and it could use a search function | 01:27 |
| GeofftheMedio | there needs to be a bunch of effects to set happiness meters, and a way to track events on previous turns that should still influence them | 01:28 |
| GeofftheMedio | the filters in the objects list need to be all implemented | 01:28 |
| Daishi[] | but u already know how you want to do that? | 01:29 |
| GeofftheMedio | the text string substitution system has a bug where it reports cyclic references when a string is reference twice without a cycle | 01:29 |
| Daishi[] | how you want to implement it and how it should be, when it is done... | 01:29 |
| GeofftheMedio | in some cases, sort of. there's some details to be figured out, but they're not theoretical things like how to do pathfinding on a graph | 01:30 |
| Daishi[] | for instance, the resizing thing doesnt sound so complicated - change the subwindows when the main window resizes | 01:30 |
| GeofftheMedio | often it's just clear it's not very good, but a detailed plan isn't written. figuring that out is half the work | 01:30 |
| GeofftheMedio | there are multiple subwindows that can be moved around; resizing isn't trivial | 01:31 |
| GeofftheMedio | though they don't really need to move unless it's shrunk so they'd be off screen | 01:31 |
| Daishi[] | ok... so it WOULD be a help for that "half" work ;) | 01:31 |
| Daishi[] | like figuring out how exactly the windows should behave under what conditions and then someone just puts it into the code | 01:32 |
| Daishi[] | sort of | 01:32 |
| GeofftheMedio | just making a plan of how it should work isn't really that useful... generally it needs to be done with consideration of how the code works as well | 01:32 |
| GeofftheMedio | suggestions aren't discouraged, though. | 01:33 |
| Daishi[] | I guess the windows are object based with attributes like dimensions and position, right? | 01:33 |
| GeofftheMedio | yes | 01:34 |
| Daishi[] | so implementing this part wouldnt be that difficult then - once the theoretical behaviour is defined | 01:35 |
| GeofftheMedio | no, I'd say the implementation would be most of the effort | 01:35 |
| GeofftheMedio | dealing with UI stuff never works as intended the first time | 01:35 |
| Daishi[] | yeah.. but that are mostly the details | 01:36 |
| GeofftheMedio | uh... yes? | 01:36 |
| Daishi[] | but changing something on change of windowsize/resolution cant be that hard | 01:36 |
| Daishi[] | but HOW it should change.... finding that out is an effort | 01:37 |
| Daishi[] | thats a lot of testing | 01:37 |
| GeofftheMedio | if you know what you're doing, not especially, unless it doesn't quite work as expected | 01:37 |
| Daishi[] | mostly it doesnt on the first try... | 01:38 |
| Daishi[] | :) | 01:38 |
| Daishi[] | but lets say, something writes some code with a function to manipulate various windows on resolution change | 01:39 |
| Daishi[] | *someone writes | 01:39 |
| Daishi[] | then a non-c++ coder could figure out the details | 01:39 |
| Daishi[] | move that, resize that | 01:40 |
| GeofftheMedio | I suppose, but doubtful in practice | 01:40 |
| Daishi[] | just an idea for splitting work | 01:40 |
| Daishi[] | not everyone can familiarize himself with the source to implement everything on hisown | 01:41 |
| Daishi[] | or has the experience not to implement stupid bugs | 01:42 |
| Daishi[] | I just try to help :D | 01:54 |
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| Nagilum_ | the most annoying thing for me is the speed, switching from one planet to another takes ages, switching views takes so long that even the music stops temporarily | 09:15 |
| GeofftheMedio | use an updated SVN version | 09:15 |
| Nagilum_ | hmm, I guess I need to look into the arch buildprocess then | 09:16 |
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| GeofftheMedio | or mark it outdated and ask the maintainer to make a new build | 09:17 |
| Nagilum_ | or both | 09:21 |
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| Nagilum_ | rev. 5378: MultiplayerCommon.cpp: In function 'void Sleep(int)': | 12:48 |
| Nagilum_ | MultiplayerCommon.cpp:428:26: error: 'TIME_UTC__' is not a member of 'boost' | 12:48 |
| Nagilum_ | hmm, strange, when I look at the file here: http://freeorion.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/freeorion/trunk/FreeOrion/util/MultiplayerCommon.cpp?revision=5189&view=markup there is one less "_" after each TIME_UTC | 12:56 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/+58$> (at freeorion.svn.sourceforge.net) | 12:56 |
| Nagilum_ | ah, obsolete fix in the arch package | 13:06 |
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| Nagilum_ | updated all-in-one linux version here: http://cakebox.homeunix.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/freeorion-r5378 | 14:55 |
| tpb | <http://ln-s.net/+59d> (at cakebox.homeunix.net) | 14:55 |
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| Nagilum_ | the new revision(r5378) plays a lot better than what's in the arch repos(r5096) | 18:59 |
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